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Thanks Bruce!
I (think) I made all of the changes you suggested, except, I left out
the part about the results being reverse alpha (it just looks that way
since I added them in alpha order and it displays last in first) .. any
new items will be at the top of the list. Once we fix this and make it
alpha, I'll update the description to indicate that.
Also .. on the Services, I moved the XSL/XSLT and Ant customization line
in the table up with the other 2-per-line items .. I started off the way
you suggested, but having a 2-item line in the middle of single item
lines was disturbing to me. If you feel strongly about this, I'll move
it back, but I think this looks better and still makes sense in the flow
of service types .. let me know.
...scott
Esrig, Bruce (Bruce) wrote:
>The criteria are coming together really nicely. This will be a great asset to the community (as well as a demo of the taxonomy module).
>
>Should we add the following the following feature to products and/or services?
>
> [ ] XML transformation Supports conversion/Support for conversion between other XML languages and DITA.
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>The following comments only affect how we describe the criteria.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Bruce
>
>===========
>
>1. What do you get as a result of selecting a few filter criteria? It seems to be an OR logic.
>
>"Select one or more features to get a (reverse!) alphabetical listing of products that match ANY of the selected features."
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>2. Particular items in Products
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>Delivered with DITA Provides the DITA language and a production engine.
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>In-place preview of conrefs Displays referenced content at the referencing location.
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>Conditionals and filtering Supports enabling/disabling/flagging through conditional parameters.
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>Workflow management
>Supports ...
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>Workflow automation
>Supports ...
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>3. Same items in Services, rearranged and re-glossed
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>Principles:
> - Getting started should be top left
> - Conceptual services should be above development services
> - Say "Support for" before most services
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> [ ] Getting started [ ] Training
> [ ] Consulting [ ] Implementation
> [ ] Information architecture Support for structural design for collections of topics.
> [ ] DITA specialization Support for customizing DITA information types.
> [ ] Domain specialization Support for applying DITA within a domain.
> [ ] Terminology Support for term management, taxonomy, ontology, indexing.
> [ ] XSL/XSLT customization [ ] Ant customization
> [ ] Product extensions Development of FrameMaker plugins, XMetaL development, etc.
> [ ] Provided by an OASIS member
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Prentice [mailto:sp@leximation.com]
>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:55 PM
>To: dita-fa-edboard@lists.xml.org
>Subject: Re: [dita-fa-edboard] Updated product-filter form
>
>OK .. here's the latest version ..
>
> http://dita.xml.org/products
>
>I've integrated the Products and Services forms onto the same page using
>
>JavaScript to dynamically swap the areas. When I set this up on the
>final page, I'll make it actually two separate pages to avoid using
>JavaScript, but the apparent functionality will be the same. When you go
>
>to the "Products and Services" page, you'd see the description and the
>"Select product features" form will be the default., when you click the
>"Select service offerings" tab, it will actually switch to a different
>page rather than using JS to make the swap.
>
>Let me know if you have any objections or concerns (or if I
>misunderstood anyone's suggestions) .. if I don't hear anything, I'll
>start setting up the vocabularies accordingly.
>
>...scott
>
>
>
>JoAnn Hackos wrote:
>
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>
>>Hi Scott,
>>I think Bruce's list on CMSs is workable. Localization/translation
>>vendor supports is probably a separate item. You might want to include
>>them as a separate category.
>>
>>JoAnn
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Scott Prentice [mailto:sp@leximation.com]
>>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:39 AM
>>To: Esrig, Bruce (Bruce)
>>Cc: dita-fa-edboard@lists.xml.org
>>Subject: Re: [dita-fa-edboard] Updated product-filter form
>>
>>Good suggestions .. versioning can go, but I do think that workflow is
>>important since it's not always part of the system. I guess the
>>
>>
>question
>
>
>>is, how detailed should we get in this? More details may provide more
>>information, but when does it get to be too much? I have no problem
>>adding Bruce's suggestions (that built on JoAnn's) .. is this enough of
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>a CMS breakdown? What about localization/translation?
>>
>>I'm not clear what is defined as a feature vs. included .. are they
>>equally balanced? It's already a pretty big list and if the features
>>column is much longer than the included column, it may not make sense
>>
>>
>..
>
>
>>can you provide an example listing?
>>
>>Services looks good .. I'll get started on that while we refine the
>>Products items.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>...scott
>>
>>
>>Esrig, Bruce (Bruce) wrote:
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>>
>>>Comments to build on JoAnn's feedback (below), which she intended for
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>this list.
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>>
>>
>>
>>>Content management (based on a database, includes map-level and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>topic-level linking and link management)
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>>
>>
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>>>CMS integration (includes unique IDs, local navigation of remote
>>>
>>>
>links)
>
>
>>>Workflow management (ability to set state within a workflow) <!--
>>>
>>>
>omit?
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>-->
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Workflow automation (dependencies, triggers, actions)
>>>
>>>============
>>>
>>>Could we try the list of checkboxes as a two-column table (Feature /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Includes) ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>============
>>>
>>>Services area:
>>>
>>> OASIS member
>>> Training
>>> Consulting
>>> Implementation
>>> Getting started
>>> Terminology (term management, taxonomy, ontology, indexing)
>>> Information architecture (structural design for collections of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>topics)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> DITA specialization (expertise in customizing DITA)
>>> Domain specialization (expertise in applying DITA within a domain)
>>> XSL/XSLT customization
>>> Ant customization
>>> Product extensions (FrameMaker plugins, XMetaL development, .. ??)
>>>
>>>============
>>>
>>>JoAnn wrote:
>>>
>>>Content management also has devisions
>>>Version control is a standard of CM systems
>>>Workflow management is almost a standard
>>>
>>>But breaking out version control doesn't make sense to me. No CMS
>>>
>>>
>lacks
>
>
>>>version control. It's one of the core functions and we're not learning
>>>anything about the product by asking for this. There are other
>>>characteristics of a CMSs that are more important. Like unique Ids
>>>generated by the system put into every file. Like a database
>>>
>>>
>underlying
>
>
>>>the CMS, not a file server system. Like being able to support DITA
>>>
>>>
>maps
>
>
>>>in the repository. Like link control and reporting.
>>>
>>>Anyway -- I recommend removing version control at the least.
>>>
>>>JoAnn
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Scott Prentice [mailto:sp@leximation.com]
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:39 PM
>>>To: dita-fa-edboard@lists.xml.org
>>>Subject: [dita-fa-edboard] Updated product-filter form
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi...
>>>
>>>I've moved the filtering forms to the main Products and Services
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>(rather
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>than being on their own pages), something like this ..
>>>
>>> http://dita.xml.org/products-services
>>>
>>>I've updated the Product filtering form, see the following URL for an
>>>example (I'll move it to the real page once we finalize the terms) ..
>>>
>>> http://dita.xml.org/products
>>>
>>>This includes all of the dita-specific fields that we discussed at the
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>meeting this morning. Please look it over and let me know if you want
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>
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>>>change anything (no nits too small to pick). Note that this form won't
>>>
>>>
>
>
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>>>work properly just yet since I haven't set up the corresponding vocab
>>>terms yet.
>>>
>>>For Services, here are the "features" I was thinking of using ..
>>>
>>> OASIS member
>>> XSL development
>>> Ant development
>>> DITA specializations
>>> System setup
>>> Training
>>> Consulting
>>> Development
>>> Product augmentation (FrameMaker plugins, XMetaL development, ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>??)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Please let me know if you have any additions/corrections/objections ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>?
>>
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>>>The Resource Directory is all set up and ready to go. I've migrated
>>>
>>>
>all
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>>of the items to individual nodes and assigned the terms as it seemed
>>>appropriate ..
>>>
>>> http://dita.xml.org/resource-directory
>>>
>>>All of the items in the resource directory will have my name on them
>>>(scottp), I can reassign them to the appropriate owners as needed. (I
>>>assigned the "Introduction to DITA" to Jen). Let me know if you see
>>>
>>>
>any
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>problems with this.
>>>
>>>One issues that I've run into ..
>>>
>>>- The "URL" fields for the Products, Services, and Resources items all
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>tack on the "http://"; prefix regardless of the actual value of that
>>>field. So .. none of the links work since they are all
>>>"http://http://www.blahblah.com";. I thought about entering the URLs
>>>without the "http://"; .. but I'm assuming this is a bug that can be
>>>fixed since most people are going to enter the full URL and won't
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>notice
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>that the link doesn't work.
>>>
>>>...scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
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