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- Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 08:31:14
At 16:07 13/12/97 -0800, Tim Bray wrote:
>At 12:03 AM 14/12/97, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
>>I am listing the main calls from Lark and AElfred that I find useful. As
>>you can see there is a great similarity - I confess that I find the AElfred
>>ones slightly easier to understand.
>OK, let's get concrete. I think that the AElfred callbacks each having
>an XMLParser argument is a good idea. Also AElfred's names are better,
>the "Do*" prefix in Lark is silly. So on the event-stream stuff, I'd
>go with the AElfred model modulo the following changes:
This seems eminently reasonable - if DavidM is listening I suggest we can
get this sorted very quickly.
>> attribute(XmlParser, String, String, boolean)
>It seems completely wrong to have an attribute event separate from
>start-element events. To start with, it suggests that the order of
>attributes is significant, which it is incorrect. Secondly, since much
>element-specific processing depends on what attributes are there, it is
>less convenient for the application programmer. Third, if the processor
>(as it must) does defaulting, he's going to have to do some attribute
>list wrangling anyhow, so it can't really be extra work.
I cut the documentation out to save space on the list.
(although this doesn't match with the documentation for the Parameters,
>What's the boolean? I don't think the application author should
>to have to deal with anything but the name and value of attributes.
>Anyhow, I'd go with
>startElement(XmlParser processor, String type, Attribute attributes);
So would I.
>and lose the attribute() method.
>> data(XmlParser, String)
>I feel that the 2nd argument should not be a String. It is a recipe
>for disastrous inefficiency if the processor has to cook up a
>java.lang.String object for every little chunk of text. Lark uses two
>arguments, a char array and a character count; the app can
>make a String if it needs to. If you find this awkward, create
>a new data type called Text so that if you need a String you
>can make it with lazy-evaluation in Text.toString(), but if you
>don't need it you don't build it.
>Also, it shouldn't be named "data" - it should be named
>characterData or charData or text or some such term that can
>be mapped directly to the spec.
>> resolveEntity(XmlParser, String, String, URL)
>I don't think entities have any place in the first cut of this
>interface. The processor exists to make these problems go away.
Lark has entities:
public boolean doSystemTextEntity(Entity e, String name, String extID)
and two others...
>Lark has a thing where if any callback returns 'true', the
>parser drops out of its loop... which is awfully useful and easy
>I think. Lark will also re-enter, but this need not be a requirement.
>Also, for application programmers, especially dealing with smallish
>objects, a tree interface is very natural. I've written both
>event-stream and tree apps using Lark, and the trees are a lot
>easier to use for anything even moderately complex. So the API
>should have Element, Attribute, and Text classes.
I won't quarrel with this. I would be very happy for a tree interface,
because JUMBO is based on trees. However I didn't want to subclass Lark's
trees if we decided on a different one, because unlike an event stream,
that could take a major rewrite of JUMBO. IFF we can standardise now, I'll
be very happy.
>And it shouldn't (sorry Peter) be called YAXPAPI - how about SAX, Simple
Of course it shouldn't - I would second the use of Simple somewhere in it.
>API for XML? Maybe SAX-J for the Java bindings. -Tim
Sounds great. let's make sure we get 100% of the way this time.
Peter Murray-Rust, Director Virtual School of Molecular Sciences, domestic
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