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- From: "Bill la Forge" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- To: "Peter Murray-Rust" <email@example.com>, "David Brownell" <db@Eng.Sun.COM>, <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:32:14 -0400
From: Peter Murray-Rust <email@example.com>
>At 10:09 08/10/98 -0700, David Brownell wrote:
>>I believe we need two modes of document creation: "empty",
>>so they can be constructed programmatically; and "parsed",
>>where they're built from a stream of XML text.
>I agree completely. I found I needed something this while I was
>constructing my subclasses of ElementNode (I call it XNode in JUMBO). So we
>also have to consider it for ElementNodes.
I agree as well. DomBuilder needs a second method for building an empty
>Typically I find the following modes of operation:
> - read in a complete XML file and construct the subclassed ElementNodes at
>document creation. This may involve special storage, validation, inter
>Element relationships, etc.
> - create an empty tree. build on empty nodes. then create the node
>internals. This must then be strictly compatible with the DTD (if any).
>Help in regulating this would be useful :-)
> - read in (or create) a tree with non-empty elements and then modify these
>interactively (edit). This is similar to the last operation but might
>require additional support.
This is where something like XSchema could play a big role.
A particular instance of DomBuilder should be bound to a single
XSchema. If we have a DomBuilder that can handle XSchema's for editing,
then the resulting editing-specific DOM tree should have
pleanty of methods available for assisting.
>>The structure of such a builder is a tricky problem. I
>>think of it as a module that's separate from the DOM and
>>separate from the (SAX) parser, but might need to be coupled
>>to either or to both. Reason: neither API is sufficient
>>for supporting all DOM semantics without some more coupling.
>>Example: fully conforming to DOM means having access to more
>>information than SAX exposes. Which attributes were defaulted?
>>What are the default values of attributes? Where do entities
>>start/stop? What parsed entities exist? And more. While
>>it's easy to write a builder that takes a SAX event stream
>>and a document, then populates a DOM Document from it, it can't
>>possibly offer full DOM semantics. (Then there's efficiency...)
>We always knew that SAX was an 80/20 solution. It seems we have the
> - ignore those bits that SAX doesn't manage at present. At least this
>gives us a working system (and you can see how keen I am on working
>systems...) For the sort of thing I do, entities, default attributes etc.
>are not essential. Maybe I'm being selfish... But I'd hate us to spend
>months discussing what we should put in.
> - extend SAX so it does (al)most what we want. I can't comment.
> - base everything on DOM. Do we have enough stuff in DOM 1.0 and do we
>have sufficient XML parsers interfaced to DOM? [I'm rather ignorant here].
We can also get this information in the back door (as given above).
But now I see a chicken/egg problem: What about those cases when
we don't know before hand the applicable markup language? In that case
the DomBuilder will need to handle all posibilities. Or is it reasonable
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