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   Re: XLink - where are we? [tiny amount of frustration]

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  • From: "W. Eliot Kimber" <eliot@dns.isogen.com>
  • To: xml-dev@ic.ac.uk
  • Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:04:59 -0600

At 09:03 PM 11/11/98, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:

>I am probably tilting at windmills but I am attempting something like this
>in JUMBO - I have about 5 approaches to styles without stylesheets.
>(a) redisplay it as raw XML. Not as silly as it sounds for many documents.
>(b) pretty-print it and display as XML. Extremely useful for many documents
>(c) Reformat start tags as bold and add NL after PCDATA. Works pretty well
>for many documents.
>(d) map every element onto a Java class. 
>(e) allow the user to customise some or all elements with styles. I shall
>use Swing for the rendering. Then, I suppose I could write the styles out
>as XSL if anyone cares.

I'm so focused on formatted presentation of the *content* I didn't think
about these options. The first three sound quite reasonable. The last two
are no different from requiring a style sheet--someone still has to provide
a per-document or document type definition of what the styling should
be--whether you use Jave code or DSSSL specs or XSL doesn't matter--the
task is the same.

>- Yes I know there is movement in this area. I'd also like to see *some*
>movement on 'behaviour' - how to we create an interactive document rather
>than simply decide on the best way to send it to the printer (which will be
>99% of the use of XSL).

There is the ISMID (Interchange Standard for Modifiable Interactive
Documents) that is being developed in SC34 of ISO/IEC JTC1. It's goal is to
be a relatively simple application that lets you define more or less
procedural behaviors for information objects (which could be XML documents
or components thereof). It's still being firmed up, but it seems reasonably
promissing.  I know the editors would certainly be interested in review and
comment.  We've been reviewing the latest draft this week during the ISO
meeting.  You can find the latest draft at
<http://www.ornl.gov/sgml/sc34/document/7.htm>.  As a reviewer, I've asked
the editors to do a few things that will make the spec a bit more XML


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W. Eliot Kimber, Senior Consulting SGML Engineer
ISOGEN International Corp.
2200 N. Lamar St., Suite 230, Dallas, TX 75202.  214.953.0004

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