xml-dev - Re: Why XML data typing is hard (was Re: Internal subset equivalent in n

["G. Ken Holman" <gkholman@CanadaMail.com>]

At 98/11/27 16:17 +0100, Ketil Z Malde wrote:
><david@megginson.com> writes:
>
>> The real question, though, is how constraints could be enforced.
>> Let's start with an extremely simple example:
>
>>   <value xml:type="float"></value>
>
>Now you're adding type information to the content, what I suggested
>was to constrain *form*.  For one thing, I would not specify this in
>the document (this is just a gut feeling, but why would you?), I would
>specify it in the DTD, e.g. like so:
>
>	<!element value #REGEXP:"-?[0-9]*.[0-9][0-9]">
>
>(or some such, you get the point).  
>
>> What are the allowed contents?
>
>Then the document could contain
>
>	<value>4.50</value>
>	<value>-0.01</value> or
>	<value>.00</value>
>
>but not
>
>	<value>1.0</value> or
>	<value>4,50</value>

Then your example proposed range of values is inappropriate because "4,50"
is a valid float from an I18N point of view.

In Canada, valid expressions of currency numbers are $1.47 or 1,47$ based
on where you are.  The decimal separator is "." in English Canada and ","
in French Canada.

I understood David's point to be that two valid expressions of the same
float aren't lexically the same.

>>   <value xml:type="float">1,5</value>
>>   <value xml:type="float">1.5</value>
>
>This won't be a problem, if the DTD specifies what can the processing
>software should expect.  You could even validate processing software
>to some extent. 

And I suppose your regular expression example could be changed to 

	<!element value #REGEXP:"-?[0-9]*(\.|,)[0-9][0-9]">

Currency values would need a larger expression.

I gather from Michael S-McQ in a presentation in Chicago that the regular
expression for a valid date (taking into account days of the month and leap
years) is 4801 characters long.

Since these values themselves are hierarchical, one could model the example
as:

  <whole>4</whole><part>50</part>

but one couldn't do that with the separate elements

  <year>1998</year><month>02</month><day>29</day>

and know it was invalid without the concept of the set representing a valid
date.

>I think trying to define some set of types to be used in *all* XML
>documents is taking the wrong approach.  I don't really see this as
>either workable or desirable.  What would the point of using xml:type
>be?  

Perhaps to abstract what is being expressed in markup to allow different
lexical expressions of the same value to be considered valid.

............ Ken



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