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- From: len bullard <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- To: Paul Prescod <email@example.com>
- Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 19:01:05 -0600
Paul Prescod wrote:
> Good point. Interchange across the time dimension is very important.
> People who use a relational or object database for their day-to-day work
> should definitely consider backing up a periodic XML dump, just as people
> who use XML day-to-day should consider how those other tools can help to
> make it updatable, retrievable, searchable, etc.
Excellent thread. Excellent.
All said then, we have pretty much the same answers we had in CALS:
o Better interchange
o Better lifecycle maintenance
o Closer modeling to some real world structures such as *classical*
o Flexible modeling for non-classical structures (if there are any)
o Ability to combine approaches both in the model and in the
I agree with all that has been said. During the SGML period, we
wrote that hybrid systems for enterprises were idea because of the way
people tended to capture certain kinds of information (they like to
write in topical based, top forward ways) and because we could keep
on using these instead of asking authors to view the worlds as Forms.
There were also the advantages that where authoring systems used
DTDs to parameterize the user interface, it was very easy to
*guide* authoring processes toward required content types, and it
was very easy to read the file and determine what was intended
(tough to do with a table that spans more than a page as anyone
who has seen a dump of a relationally implemented version of
MIL-D-87269 can attest to).
The markup model using a DTD is a nice middle of the road/practically
anyone can learn to write one schema. Relational modeling is certainly
tighter given normalization, but it takes more effort. Those who do
both (markup and relational modeling) probably do both better
as a result.
What I like about the tone of the answers to my question:
1. Developers do understand the issues and do understand that the
underlying implementation affects most of the benefits, that is,
benefits of OOP vs file.
2. Developers do understand the "horses for courses" approach
and don't see everything in terms of XML.
3. Developers do understand the benefits of the lifecycle that
markup can improve and do understand that exchange is a major plus.
Good. Now, one additional benefit of markup as with any system
that can use a schema is that the schema/DTD can be viewed as a
contract/standard for information usage. Seeing the other thread
about architectural forms, we should lookat the role of the
schema/DTD in standards processes and artifacts. Many of us have
done this and it isn't very hard to see the benefits. However,
the introduction of architectural forms to SGML was never completed
in the sense that the community applied them or became comfortable
with them. Now that there will be alternative schema and design-DTDs
such as SOX, we should consider these in terms of standards making.
For example, the VRML NG effort is underway and there is a work item
for creating a set of XML tags. I have brought this up before but
I think it bears repeating. VRML 97 can be seen as a two layer
specification. The first layer is node based and defines the
properties of the entities as node properties. The second layer
deals with the grammar as delivered (aka, the file format). I
think it possible that the upper layer could be considered an
architecture. If so, then isn't it possible to create standards
from which other standards are derived by specifying, in this
case, the property set as an architecture for Web3D applications from
which the XML tag sets are derived? Therefore, 3DML, Chrome, etc.
could have different tag sets, but be derived from the same
architecture and therefore be playable in a compliant engine?
However, looking at SOX, XML-DATA, etc and being reminded of the
work done on the object-oriented MID version, I think it also
possible that the same result could be achieved by these means
as well given that in the end what is being considered is the
fundamental property set which any application of the type must
Given this, what approach is best for the making and
maintenance of the standard? Note I am not asking about
implementation, but in the context of creating and maintaining a
standard over its lifecycle.
Yes? No? Comments?
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