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- From: "Simon St.Laurent" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- To: "Jonathan Borden" <email@example.com>, "'XML Developers' List'" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:48:17 -0400
At 08:23 PM 6/11/99 -0400, Jonathan Borden wrote:
> Mess? why? Aside from the fact that declarative 'programming' can be a
>paradigm shift for those used to procedural programming. But that old
>argument aside, isn't there room for both styles? We have ECMAScript, Java,
>Python, PERL etc as common languages. Why not add XSLT? Diversity in
>languages is a Good Thing. I have used most major computer languages over
>the past 2 decades and support XSLT as a unique and useful addition to this
It's more than a paradigm shift affecting people, from what I've heard.
XSL lets you do a lot, but finding organizing principles to do it with
appears to be harder than perhaps it should be. Perhaps this is just a
matter of time, or perhaps the problem is just that XSL is indeed ugly and
verbose and provides few hooks for developers used to working with other
> And the XSLT folks? What would you have them do? Do you believe:
>1) transformations are not important
In some cases, like transforming XML tables to SVG, it's great. I'm not
convinced that it's important in every case, nor am I convinced that XSLT
is the 'right' way to handle transformations.
>2) procedural languages (e.g. ECMAScript+DOM) can handle transformations
Yep. I got started in this area through Dynamic HTML, so I'm undoubtedly
biased, but this supposedly incredible need for XSL escapes me.
>3) DSSSL can be modified to better handle transformations
I haven't said one thing about DSSSL one way or the other. If the SGML
community wants to invest further in DSSSL, that's great. If not, it's not
anywhere near my problem.
>4) XSLT is just not a good way to transform (and if so please suggest
Ugly, verbose... perhaps useful in some situations, but hardly a crying
need when other tools that have been widely implemented are capable of
providing the same functionality.
I think we've come back around to the root of the argument. If you want to
continue, we can circle around a few more times. I'm off to JavaOne, so
I'll only be able to circle sporadically for the next few days.
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