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   Re: New internet draft on layering protocols on top of HTTP

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  • From: "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@simonstl.com>
  • To: xml-dev@xml.org
  • Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:37:33 -0400

At 03:16 PM 5/8/00 -0400, Mark Baker wrote:
>If it's anything like its predecessor[1], it may be targetted to be an
>official IESG/IAB position.  I have no information if that's the case
>with this update though.
> [1] http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/http/draft-iesg-using-http-00.txt

We'll see what happens.  Whether or not it's made an official IESG/IAB
position, I'll be surprised if this I-D is actually adhered to in practice.
 It's easier by far to violate these rules with existing tools than to
adhere to them.  

While it may affect protocols going through IETF process, it's not clear
(yet) that the current round of XML+HTTP protocols is going to be going
that route. 

>Why?  I would have thought the port 80 thing would have been the hardest
>to swallow.

Port 80 and the new URL issue are on about the same level of additional
implementation complexity, from my perspective, and neither is especially

>Not that this is on-topic for xml-dev.  Want to take this to

No, actually, right now it's probably more on topic for XML-Dev than for
discuss@apps.ietf.org, because XML is the force currently driving the
emergence of these problems.

I'd prefer to see what the consensus is around here before diving into the
IETF discussions.  My previous encounters at intersections between XML
applications and IETF discussions have been difficult, to say the least,
and I suspect we have an unstoppable force/immovable object problem in the
protocol discussions.

(For a larger perspective on XML as a general problem, see my post
yesterday at:
http://xml.org/archives/xml-dev/2000/05/0138.html )

Simon St.Laurent
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