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   RE: SOAP, plague, love

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  • From: Eldar Musayev <eldarm@microsoft.com>
  • To: xml-dev@xml.org
  • Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:41:46 -0700

If you mean that XML is going to be overcomplicated, it's true.
If you mean that SOAP puts semantics on XML, that's false.
And neither of these two statements makes the article, we 
talked about, clever or correct (if you remeber, author was 
talking about security of SOAP in a context of a recent worm).

 > In my unorthodox view, the specification of XML is a 
 > specification of syntax
 > alone. The processing of that syntax to derive some 
 > semantics is my (and every
 > node's) purely local and idiosyncratic affair. 

So? And what is so unorthodox here? Of course it is.
It's just when you start to implement and especially
integrate huge B2B systems, you have to share those idiosyncrasies
with more and more of your business partners, so they can understand you.
Some people made the next step and started to talk
about XML.ORG and Biztalk.org, others about schemas. But anyway, 
it does not say anything about security.

 > Philosophically, that is why
 > there is an XML (syntax) parser at every node, not simply 
 > one canonical service
 > implementation of The Parser. To the extent that I do 

Philosophically, as I understood, you were trying to say following (correct
me, if I am wrong):

1. Validation is highly overvalued, it creates problems in return for a
false promise of safety. And yes, I agree with that.

2. Overall approach to XML is overcomplicated, we create extra stuff, when
absense of one was really the advantage, which gave the life to XML. Again
agree with that.

So, how it is related to SOAP security?

 > So, yes, Peter Coffee's article is valuable to this 
 > community, as last week's

You did not prove that. I still see
 > > Sorry, just see no big event in this article. It's just an 
 > > entertainment for general public.

Best regards,
Eldar Musayev

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