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   RE: power uses of XML vs. simple uses of XML

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  • From: Paulo Gaspar <paulo.gaspar@krankikom.de>
  • To: xml-dev@xml.org
  • Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:50:12 +0200

I go a bit further!

Lets immediatly stop using MIME and any other technology or
standard that eases the transport of Multimedia stuff!!!

But even text... what about those copyrights???

Do you know that more music is illegaly exchanged using the
old IRC than Napster? And I know of no studies about ICQ.

And both ICQ and IRC make it easy for people with common 
piracy interests (and other interest too, but that is a 
detail) to meet each other and proceed to those illegal 

And let's see, I can send MP3and text trough e-mail, ICQ, 
IRC... I can download with HTTP, FTP, ...

Shouldn't we terminate them all???

Yes! Let's just shut down the Internet, which is the larger 
source of means to illegaly exchange copyrighted material.

(And all the other kinds of digital(ised) information, but
that is a detail.)

Let's force everybody to use the due (monopoly-controlled) 
distribution channels.

Have fun Big Brother,
Paulo Gaspar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xml-dev@xml.org [mailto:owner-xml-dev@xml.org]On Behalf Of
> Bullard, Claude L (Len)
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 12:03
> To: Dave Winer
> Cc: xml-dev@xml.org
> Subject: RE: power uses of XML vs. simple uses of XML
> No lack of respect is intended.  I am enabling you 
> to "adjust your thinking" based on copyright law which 
> is violated by a very large number of Napster users. 
> The problem is the model makes that difficult to 
> stop these violations.  What does XML have to offer 
> as a remedy?  To determine that, we first have to 
> admit a problem exists.  (This same kind of thread 
> emerged during the pre-PICS days, BTW.)
> A spy vs spy argument is a reference to the 
> MAD magazine cartoon in which both black and 
> white spies equated to the same action and neither 
> had a moral imperative; just more of the same 
> in a continuous unending struggle for dominance.  
> The color of the suit was irrelevant; they wer 
> the same thing.
> It alludes to some dark netherworld out there trying 
> to disenfranchise or otherwise restrict 
> developments through nefarious means.  The 
> music industry is protecting the rights of its 
> members but note that lawsuits are being 
> initiated by the artists.
> If the distribution network enables and the 
> culture rewards violation of copyright laws, 
> then it is open season on the software 
> industry, the book publishing industry, and 
> any product which can be distributed digitally 
> over the Internet.  If the content providers 
> have to war on each other (play Spy vs Spy) to ensure the same 
> moral imperative or lack of it, the WWW is a 
> doomed enterprise.  In fact, that will not 
> happen.  The probable result will be more restrictive 
> legislation and prosecution.  So we get 
> Spy vs Spy or Fearless Leader.  Ugly.  The 
> alternative is to divise a means to limit 
> the life or quality of the copies.
> Spy Vs Spy:  In this case, you assert this is 
> "what the music industy would have some believe". 
> That is irrelevant.  Violation of copyright 
> law is at issue.  That is why Napster had to 
> remove 300,000 users.  That is why further 
> litigation is pending.
> The argument you present that since you have 
> purchased a copy you also have purchased the 
> right to make unlimited copies is legally bunk.  It 
> is precisely the right to make unlimited copies that 
> is reserved to the copyright holder.  
> XML is an interesting means to implement a Napster model. 
> Using it without a means to enforce the 
> copyright is enabling piracy.  Given 
> two decades of the software industy trying 
> to stop illegal copying, why at this time 
> should we espouse that the X in XML come 
> to mean a skull and crossbones?   If we do, 
> then we should expect a Queen Elizabeth I 
> approach to taxation on the high seas.
> Len 
> http://fly.hiwaay.net/~cbullard/lensongs.ram
> Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti.
> Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@userland.com]
> I don't know what you mean by a Spy vs Spy argument, and I don't like the
> way you're addressing me, and the rest of this list. I didn't read past
> "It's bunk" if you want me to listen to you, show more respect. 
> Thanks. Dave
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