xml-dev - RE: SOAP serialization

[Sasha Nakhimovsky <sasha@mail.colgate.edu>]

Actually, IBM's toolkit seems to have transmigrated into Apache's,

 http://xml.apache.org/soap

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Allen [mailto:joshuaa@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 5:36 PM
To: 'mark hu'; Andrew Layman; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: RE: SOAP serialization


So now we have:
* For the Microsoft platform: SOAP/ROPE and VS.NET
* For Java, IBM's SOAP for Java
* For CORBA http://www.iona.com/soap

Those are three currently available toolkits for
using SOAP on the world's three major platforms.
I'm sure there are many others available, but that
should satisfy your query about easy ways to do
SOAP communications being provided.  Technically,
you could invoke a SOAP service from a DOS .BAT
file as well.  Nothing says that you have to be
using *any* of the above three platforms to write
your clients or services.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark hu [mailto:mark@fintrack.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 2:21 PM
> To: Andrew Layman; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: Re: SOAP serialization
> 
> 
> Hi, Andrew:
>     Right, the SOAP messages should not be affected by using 
> any kind of
> tool, and when SOAP messages reaches the destination, people 
> have to find a
> way to parse it and transfor them to the format that current 
> understood by
> the whole organization - this'll involves different 
> technologies to adapt,
> surely XML by itself has a kind of spirit - and I guess the 
> reason that SOAP
> comes out is because we can not do anything using pure XML as 
> of now, just
> the same as we can not do everything using Java - even the 
> spirit of Java is
> conding once, running everywhere - it still involves different VM
> technologies, so the same applies to XML, personally I do not 
> believe the
> spirit of XML is still the same as it gave out orginally, and 
> it'll keep
> changing as the new technologies and ideas come out, so as of 
> a worker, I
> just try to find out a nice tool for both CORBA and COM, and 
> I do think
> there's some one want to write SOAP messages Listener in 
> COBOL - even if
> it's possible, cheers.
> 
> 
> mark hu
> 646-872-7341 (cell phone)
> "breath, open up eyes and think"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Layman <andrewl@microsoft.com>
> To: <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:56 PM
> Subject: RE: SOAP serialization
> 
> 
> > To be even more emphatic:  SOAP is about wire protocol, not
> implementation.
> > A sender X should be able to send a message to receiver Y 
> and it does not
> > matter whether receiver Y is implemented by a CGI script or 
> an ASP script
> or
> > a COM object class or whatever.  The semantics are in the message.
> >
> > Various toolkits (such as ROPE) provide programmatic interfaces that
> > simplify the construction of SOAP messages or processing of them on
> receipt.
> > But, these are convenience APIs, not part of the SOAP 
> specification.  The
> > semantics of the message are unaffected by whether you use 
> such a toolkit
> or
> > not.
> >
> > This is not about proprietary protocols that happen to be 
> serialized in
> XML.
> > This is about an extensible protocol true to the spirit of XML.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mark hu [mailto:mark@fintrack.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:09 PM
> > To: KenNorth; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> > Subject: Re: SOAP serialization
> >
> >
> > Thanks for you arcticle ref, it's a good article, but the 
> point is : ROPE
> is
> > only the actural word for NT (win2000) side, not for Unix 
> side - we do not
> > have to use ROPE for anywhere besides MS Windows ( Surely 
> MS SOAP Toolkit
> > and its gerenated Listener only can be configured and run 
> under MS IIS
> > ....), even in MSDN article -  Unix side had a Java based 
> Web Service
> > Listener which getting SOAP messages ( in this MSDN sample; 
> SOAP messages
> > were passed in through ROPE which is staying at Windows 
> side ) and then
> > passed by a SOAP parser, then calling relative Objects ( in 
> this case
> CORBA
> > ....), so the whole picture only Web Services part incudes 
> ROPE ( which is
> > really MS thing, designed fro VS 6.0 and coming VS 7.0 ), 
> and this is
> based
> > on you put your web-services up and running under MS 
> Windows, what if
> > somewhere that does not have MS IIS server and run NetScape 
> or IBM, in
> this
> > case We DO NEED A TOOLKIT - CALLED "SUN SOAP Toolkit" or "IBM SOAP
> Toolkit"
> > which can generate the same results but based on CORBA and 
> targetting OS
> > besides MS Windows, and I am using MS Toolkit right now - 
> and the actual
> Web
> > Services Listener is done through ISAPI ( which bust up 
> performence quite
> > bit ... ), I like this tool - since the SDLWizard Toolkit 
> right now only
> > recognize COM OBJECT only, I do hope they can come out a 
> new one which can
> > CORBA also, and I bet they will - again, ROPE is COM thing, 
> not for JAVA -
> > oh, surely u can generate a Java wrapper class and make a 
> Java container
> for
> > ROPE, so your Java people can use it very easily - but, 
> this is not the
> > point here - basicly, MS SOAP Toolkit for now, is 
> targetting VS 6.0 and
> > based on COM only ... sorry, man.
> >
> > mark hu
> > 646-872-7341 (cell phone)
> > "breath, open up eyes and think"
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: KenNorth <KenNorth@email.msn.com>
> > To: <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: SOAP serialization
> >
> >
> > > > Maybe some of those, but my guess is probably not SOAP 
> on a ROPE.
> > >
> > > MSDN has only a single article that mentions the Remote 
> Object Proxy
> > Engine
> > > (ROPE):
> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/xml/articles/hbinterop_core.asp
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