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   RE: XML in O2K (was "XML in .NET")

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  • From: Chris Lovett <clovett@microsoft.com>
  • To: "'DuCharme, Robert'" <Robert.DuCharme@moodys.com>, xml-dev@lists.xml.org
  • Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:09:22 -0700

http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/1997/dec97/HTMLPR.asp is about how
Office is generating HTML.  

The wording is careful, it says it has an "Implementation of XML within the
HTML...".  Nowhere does it say Office procuces well formed XML documents.
And again, I couldn't agree more that it would be nice for a future version
to support a true XML format, if not a general one.

As for HTML compliance, the only thing that http://validator.w3.org/
complains about is the namespace attributes on the <html> tag and the
missing DOCTYPE tag. The inline XML islands are embedded inside HTML
comments, so those are fine.  But still, I agree there is some clean up to
be done here to either make it real XHTML or to make it compliant HTML 4.1.
I believe XHTML wasn't finalalized in time for Office 2000.

-----Original Message-----
From: DuCharme, Robert [mailto:Robert.DuCharme@moodys.com]
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 10:27 AM
To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: XML in O2K (was "XML in .NET")

>Chris Lovett [clovett@microsoft.com] wrote:
>But I know for a fact from the Office people I have worked with that
>making Office 2000 a general XML authoring tool was not a design goal.

No one is expecting a general XML authoring tool in Office. This would imply
the ability to edit documents conforming to any DTD. Those of us who
attempted to use SGML Author for Word know that this is not realistic. 

If Office apps could save documents as valid XML conforming to some
published DTD (or schema) of Microsoft's own design, that would be great.
People could write apps (or XSLT stylesheets) to read these and do things
with them. 

The frustration with the O2K format is over the embedding of XML chunks
(excuse me, "islands") within strange MSHTML markup that makes any XML
parser choke. (And I don't care if Navigator doesn't choke on it--it's not
standard HTML because it's not W3C HTML, but a proprietary extension of it.)
Why does Microsoft brag[1] about their use of XML in Office if they have
erected barriers to the use of this XML by others? Because it's such a
trendy standard? It comes off as trying to take credit for providing the
advantages of the trendy standard without actually doing so. Of course, this
is what marketing people are paid to do. 

Bob DuCharme          www.snee.com/bob           <bob@  
snee.com>  "The elements be kind to thee, and make thy
spirits all of comfort!" Anthony and Cleopatra, III ii

[1] http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/1997/dec97/HTMLPR.asp and


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