Re: XML-DEV MODERATORIAL

[Miloslav Nic <nicmila@idoox.com>]

Would it help if members of xml-dev  collect references to xml-dev both
in printed books and on the web? People could also write a short
paragraph about xml-dev with a description about what id did for them
and about their own XML history.
We have a few books on our shelves and other has obviously as well.  If
it helps I would  publish a required submission format on the list and
write a stylesheet to transform it in the form of Zvon references. 
It would be excellent if Oasis could publish it on their pages or to
have it published   at W3C XML group pages, in the worst case I would
put it on Zvon.


Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
> 
> I find it embarrassing to write this mail, but here goes...
> 
> *** PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO ME PERSONALLY FROM NOW ON - YOU'LL SEE WHY***
> 
> A considerable number of list members have mailed me personally - many
> thanks. The messages were all supportive and several suggested that
>         (a) XML-DEV has been a valuable institution. It has created things of
> unique value
>         (b) OASIS has not been appropriately supportive of either the list or the
> contribution that PM-R and HSR have made to XML through the 3 years they
> ran it.
>         (c) The lack of history and archive is a serious omission.
> 
> To summarise:
>         OASIS approached me (unsolicited) in 1999 and offered to take over the
> running of the list. Henry and I agreed on the basis that:
>         (a) I continued as moderator
>         (b) there was a maintained proactive home page explaining the history of
> the list and the philosophy. This to be set up by OASIS
>         (c) that the historical archive be maintained.
> and that there was effective mutual benefit to both parties.
> 
> The handover was a technical and organisational disaster. The list was
> nearly destroyed. Henry and I found that OASIS were not responsive to these
> problems and it became clear that *as an institution* OASIS did not value
> Henry and myself sufficiently to devote effort in this area. A number of
> correspondents have made similar points. The list debated whether it should
> break free from OASIS and eventually agreed to try to give it a further
> chance.
> 
> Henry and I have an urgent pressing need for formal recognition of our work
> in XML-DEV. It is fair to say that my prospects of (re)employment may
> depend on it - I cannot give further details. OASIS had promised to post a
> fair and objective history of the list as part of the handover. We are not
> asking for a eulogy, simply an objective analysis. What we expected, and
> now urgently need, is a CITEABLE reference about the work we did and its
> use within the XML community.A number of people suggested that they would
> contribute peer-review - many thanks - but this has to be formally
> collated.  OASIS is in a position to provide this - individuals aren't.
> 
> Our primary immediate motivation is that we wish to be able to demonstrate
> that a virtual, lightly-moderated, evolutionary meritocracy is capable of
> producing world-class tools such as SAX, without a central organisation. I
> believe that to be a matter of historical record and would appreciate a
> formal reference to it.
> 
> You may ask - "why don't you publish XML-DEV in learned journals?" We've
> thought about that but feel that XML-DEV itself is effectively a learned
> journal in some respects and that it is appropriate and exciting for the
> list to provide its own peer-review.
> 
> We need something *within 10 days* on the OASIS XML-DEV page that we can
> cite. It would be inappropriate for Henry or me to suggest how that should
> be done.  Several people made concrete suggestions which could be posted to
> the list - alternatively some individuals could take an initiative.
> 
> If nothing happens, then the XML-DEV home page can only be regarded as a
> statement that
> a significant proportion of the "great and the good in XML" regard the
> achievement of XML-DEV 1997-2000 as not worthy of comment. By contrast
> XML-DEV (including attribution to PM-R) is appropriately and neutrally
> cited on the W3C XML home page.
> 
> On a longer term it seems like it's worth re-discussing what the role and
> future of the list is. That partly depends on OASIS' response. I shall be
> disappointed if OASIS do not soon reply to  *to the list*.
> 
>         P.
> 
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