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   Re: [xml-dev] XML=WAP? And DOA?

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1/13/2002 8:10:02 PM, Paul T <pault12@pacbell.net> wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jens Jakob Andersen, PDI" 
>Sure. And it is kinda  more convinient to use CSV, because 
>CSV-based world  has developed a sophisticated, convinient, 
>universal  binding mechanizm, called "regular expressions".

Hmmm, that's an interesting way to put it.  What would an XML 
universal binding mechanism look like .... a clean 
integration of XPath and DOM (and maybe RELAX-NG)?  A RELAX-
NG data binding tool 
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~dp8t-asm/java/tools/Relaxer/  ?

Both Sun and Microsoft seem to be working hard to make it 
easier to use XML from ordinary programming languages; are 
either/both at least moving in the direction you want to see?

>Regular expressions are not blessed by W3C, sure.

But they are at the heart of RELAX-NG ... I hope we can 
distinguish "XML" from "the set of all specs that the W3C has 
put out dealing with XML" or "the picture of XML promulgated 
by the most visionary W3C working groups." 

>Or try rendering a real-life financial XML report 
>with XSL ( it may  take a 100 of pages, 
>you know... )

Good point; this is very definitely a weakness of the current 
crop of XML technologies in the Real World.  Crystal Reports 
and their competitors are just starting to handle XML data 
sources, AFAIK.  Can anyone point us to a report generator 
rich enough to, for example, generate a real-life financial 
report from an XBRL document and that can be used by someone 
who knows little about XBRL other than the tag/element names 
and hierarchy and nothing at all about XSL/XSLT?  In other 
words, something that required the user to know no more about 
XML than the current report generators assume about SQL 
BTW, I recently surveyed the following, and IMHO none of them 
come close to fitting these requirements (although there is 
some XML support now and some pretty rapid progress) :

So, JJ, would a hypothetical "Crystal Reports for XML" that 
abstracted away the messier details of XPath, XQuery, and XSL 
(FO and/or XSLT) behind a decent UI help your friends 


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