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   Re: [xml-dev] XML=WAP? And DOA?

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From: "Nicolas LEHUEN" <nicolas.lehuen@ubicco.com>

> We debated about the opportunity to patent the technology in my company.
> gave up the idea, because we felt that it would be way too costly for our
> little structure (yep !), and that there was a potential overlap with
> Cocoon's XSP.

Interesting - just a couple of hours ago I've seen some
home-grown XSP implementation, because people
who've implemented it,  have not spent too much
time learning Cocoon ( and also they implemented
it long time ago when Cocoon had less visibility than
it has now ). XSP is pretty common pattern. In my
oppinion XPathScript (AxKit) is also in that problem

By the way, XSP, PHP, JSP and alikes look
in some sense orthogonal to XSLT, because
XSP, PHP, JSP and alikes usually consider multiple
sources ( and multiple *states* ) to be not an exception,
but a rule.  This is not actually the case for XSLT
( which has no idea sbout 'states' because
printed document has *no* states ).

XSLT-based frameworks are struggling when it comes to
web applications. Perhaps what Mr. Leventhal said long
time ago  is true. ( For web applications, what we really need
is a good DOM, that we can update / query / modify e t.c )

> I think I'm going to reschedule a meeting on the subject, to decide
> it would be possible for us to at least donate the specs of the language
> the open-source community, so that anybody could scavenge good ideas out
> it. Maybe the best thing would be to work with the XSP people at Cocoon.
> biggest problem is to find time to write down those specs in English, as
> everything was done in French here :), and/or to collaborate with the XSP
> people...

I'd gladly participate in any open group that would try
building a practical language-neutral templatish language.
There are some things in XSLScript that I like, but there
are some things that I don't like.

Yet another Text::Template is what we need  ;-)

However, it should be language and platform neutral.
And I belive that { makes better separator than <%.


OK, OK, really nice thing should allow both, because
some people need to edit it in a GUI HTML editor,
but some people are editing templates in vi / notepad
And  I think that there is no possible markup that
would be good for *both* cases.



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