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   RE: [xml-dev] WSIO vs. Semantic Web

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Part of being an insider means not listening to 
certain conversations.  It is the Queen Elizabeth 
approach to the cocktail party gossip.  Don't hear 
what you must not know.

Ballmer is a cheerleader for his products and that 
IS his job.  He does it well.  The press runs with 
it and will stir the pot by whatever means because 
that is THEIR job.  

As a member of the TAG and the "ear of the TAG 
on XML-Dev", you might have noticed the REST 
thread.  It indicates that there are definitely 
alternatives to how web services can be implemented. 
As a TAG member, this should be of some interest 
to you.  What is unfortunate, but also comes 
with your job, is that you may have to sort this 
out and stand either here, or in front of the 
most powerful members of the W3C and say, 
"IMO and IAW my responsibilities to the TAG, 
one of you loses".  Not fun.

But you can't just push it back to Ballmer. 
That plays right into the hands of the press 
and makes the appearance of controversy reality.
It can't be spun as an organization (WSIO) vs 
an initiative (Semantic Web).  It has to be 
web service architecture A vs web service 
architecture B.  Then it is priority of 
investment and resources to one task or 
the other (do we spend our time sorting 
out the semantic web or web services?  
can we do both and still retain our 


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Bray [mailto:tbray@textuality.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:40 PM
To: Joshua Allen
Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] WSIO vs. Semantic Web

Joshua Allen wrote:

> http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-835247.html
> Looks like the beginnings of an invented controversy.  "AI-Nut Semantic
> Webbers vs. Greedy Conglomerate Web Service-ites".  I would hate to see
> people fall for this ploy to write exciting copy and end up polarizing
> their opinions.

I blame Steve Ballmer.  When I talked to Festa I had just heard another
one of Steve's rants about how XML and Web Services were bigger than
the Internet, bigger than the PC, bigger than God, etc... Sigh.

Interesting detail: Festa researched this story weeks and weeks
ago...  guess he couldn't find a real news item - until ws-i gave
him a (pathetically frail) nail to hang a story on.  Sigh again.


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