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   RE: [xml-dev] WSIO vs. Semantic Web - Setting the Record Straight

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Been there. 

Gotta say though, MS has contributed mightily to 
the growth of XML and Internet technologies. Whatever 
one chooses to say is "The Web", and these threads 
prove to me no one has the answer to that for 
everyone, many if not most of us use the core technologies 
of one or two of these companies, so willy nilly or 
not, we march.  That means we have to understand 
our tools if not necessarily the orders.   The baseline 
specifications are there.  The global specifications 
are proposed.  If we stop and say, "ah there is a 
better way", we may be doing precisely what the 
SGMLers and Hytimers did originally with HTML. 
There was a better way; it was irrelevant at that time. 
Maybe not now.  

"Rough consensus and running code" rules, same as it ever has. 
The question is now, who decides when a consensus forms, 
and whose running code do we use.  The challenge of the 
WSIO is to prove that doesn't matter.  You say they 
will fail at that challenge.  I say we should take 
their specs apart and see how they work.  Unless I 
am mistaken, products are on the loading dock now.


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Prescod [mailto:paul@prescod.net]

"Bullard, Claude L (Len)" wrote:
> Prove me wrong, please.  Otherwise, "The Web" is also
> irrelevant.  What we need from HTML and URIs, we already
> have.  What we need from XML, the WSIO is standardizing.

Microsoft tried to go up against the Web once and lost. You can argue
that it was because the other big companies like Sun etc. bet on the Web
while Microsoft bet on BlackBerry. I believe it was because Microsoft
didn't understand the technology of the Web. Now they want to make the
same mistake, and like all of those early BlackBerry developers you will
follow them through a wild goose chase.

If the choice was between CORBA and COM and SOAP and XML-RPC then I'd
believe that big businesses could go off to a smoke-filled room and
choose the winner. But the choice is between a way that doesn't work
(one in which addressing and linking and thus WEB SERVICE COMBINATION is
difficult or impossible) and one that does work (in which addressing and
linking are first-class concepts). In that situation, it isn't
technologists arguing between slightly better and worse solutions. It's
rather technologists setting themselves up to say: "I told you so" two
years from now.


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