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>Len, if I hadn't wasted - yes, wasted - so much of my time dealing with
>poorly-designed crap with a business agenda behind it, I might be
>inclined to agree with you.  

We all do that everyday.  I don't disagree it wastes time but it is 
part of doing business in technology.  Last week my company gave 
me a buck knife (nice one too) as a service award.  My friend and 
boss suggested I put it in a class case marked "Break Glass in Case 
of Marketing".  In other words, for some of this the only antidote 
is a sense of humor.

>At this point I think we need to find a
>better balance between "my customers want XYZ feature" and "the XYZ
>feature is toxic to the technological ecosystem in which it is used." 
>Right now the first is often heard, the second only rarely considered.

I totally agree.  The meme about dharma and artha, duty and wealth, 
restricting a choice by understanding it will multiply other choices 
was not just poetry or philosophy.  It is how things work if they are 
to work well for the greater good.  It is power over karma.

>Businesses are notoriously bad at considering ecosystems beyond the
>boundaries of their balance sheets, at least until it's made painfully
>clear that something's drastically wrong.

Some are.  Others are just on a learning curve.  That varies by group 
and individual.  It is the cost of community.

>I'm fed up with your notion that business is the heart and soul of all
>we do, and your naive faith that business processes are naturally
>helpful to technological development. 

Then take a chill pill.  Business concerns are a legitimate part of 
what we do. 

>I'd much rather talk angle-bracket details than "how is this good for
>business," and find the former much appropriate to discussion on a
>developers' list.

I'm sure many will publically agree with you. 

>It's way past time to make it clear that business process can in fact be
>toxic to technology, and that the interactions between the two aren't
>necessarily mutually supportive.  They _can_ be positive occasionally,
>sure, but in my experience that's hardly the rule.

My experience is that business put the browsers in the homes 
of the non-technical.   What you want is technical elitism 
and in that, you are a lot like the John Galt character of 
Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead, believing that the only choice 
of the technically advanced and sophisticated is to go to 
their own enclave until the world failing without their 
sage advice comes to beg them to rule.

Won't happen.  The non-technical aren't that naive.



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