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Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> This won't hunt, Paul. No one is suggesting that MS will
> torpedo SVG. You want to redirect the topic away from
> the one that disturbs you: MS and yes, all of us, have
> options.
No, I want to direct it away from the topic that bores me. Here's what
interests me.
You said: "The browser wars are over. The browser lost."
You are wrong on both counts, and that observation is completely
orthogonal to the issue of XDocs. I don't care to talk more about XDocs
until it is public.
>...
> 2. Innovations don't come from one source. If the
> libraries are powerful, we may get more innovation than
> if the lockin constrains us. Between patents and lockins
> and fear of the W3C and loathing of the successful,
> the web is stagnant.
That's simply incorrect. Here are some points of innovation on the Web:
http://rss.benhammersley.com/archives/001444.html
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/16/021016hnearthblog2.xml?s=IDGNS
http://www.movabletype.org/trackback/
http://jabberzilla.mozdev.org/
http://xml.apache.org/batik/
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-foaf.html
http://www.croczilla.com/svg/
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/07/24/xmlportal.html
http://ipw.internet.com/site_management/site_tools/986419618.html
http://www.vultus.com/
http://www.mozdev.org/logs/top50.html
http://www.adobe.com/svg/main.html
http://books.slashdot.org/books/02/10/15/0124228.shtml?tid=154
http://plone.org/
http://subversion.tigris.org/
http://annozilla.mozdev.org/index.html
I agree that even so things are not moving as fast as they were five or
ten years ago. That's not the same as saying they aren't moving.
> ... Time for fresh thinking not standards.
> Standards cut both ways. If you want the kind of web
> development we had five to ten years ago, we will have
> to break some existing rules.
The kind of web development we had five to ten years ago was *built* on
the wide adoption of both de jure and de facto standards. If we are
advancing slowly today, it is because it has been quite a while since a
browser vendor took on a meaty new standard like SVG and nobody has
gotten around to standardizing something like XUL, XBL or HTC.
> ... One of them just might
> be that the browser, the universal interface, is not the
> only viable platform.
Nobody ever said it was. It is merely the only platform with the
features I listed and those features provide a basis for innovation and
interoperability.
Paul Prescod
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