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   RE: [xml-dev] xPath 2.0, XSLT 2.0 ... size increase over v1.0

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  • Subject: RE: [xml-dev] xPath 2.0, XSLT 2.0 ... size increase over v1.0
  • From: "Patrick Garvey" <Patrick.Garvey@talaris.com>
  • Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:00:33 -0700
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  • Thread-topic: [xml-dev] xPath 2.0, XSLT 2.0 ... size increase over v1.0

I agree. I'm new to this list, and am not terribly grizzled, but I've seen my share of data structures (DB schemas & XML document specs) that I know were slapped together in a rush and show all the adverse effects of that kind of design.

Do people think that standard XML vocabularies are an answer? :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Marshall [mailto:rjm@zenucom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM
To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] xPath 2.0, XSLT 2.0 ... size increase over v1.0

On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:19, Simon St.Laurent wrote:

> With XML, it's harder and harder to make that separation because the
> tools are growing more and more intertwined.  Using these specs created
> since the rise of W3C XML Schema (or heck, Namespaces at times) requires
> more than an understanding of XML 1.0 + a few reference books - it
> requires a clear understanding of many intertwined things which are not
> themselves particularly clear.
> I can still sort of hand developers XML + a parser and expect something
> good to come of it, but developers looking for anything more than that
> quickly find themselves in strange territory where many things look
> familiar but combine in unusual (and sometimes problematic) ways.  Those
> tools and specifications (especially anything derived from WXS) look at
> the core XML 1.0 information with expectations derived from elsewhere,
> making it more and more difficult to explain the separation of the core
> from the supporting tools.
> On the bright side, reading the Web Services family of specifications
> brings on even more of the same kinds of despair, so it certainly could
> be worse.

Looks to me like the database debates of the 60's/70's. and xml at the
moment is at about the same stage as codasyl etc was then.

..... now all we need is another ted codd .....

rick marshall

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