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   Re: [xml-dev] XUL Standardization: Lessons from the RSS Civil War

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Hi Gerald,

Can't get that apocryphal license plate out of my head - 6UL DV8 (say it
quickly). Maybe we could channel Marvin and prevail upon him for some XUL
healing <chuckle/>

Matt Bennett

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  |       Subject:  [xml-dev] XUL Standardization: Lessons from the RSS Civil War                 |


  I just stumbled over Tim Bray's blog entry titled "I
Like Pie".

  Tim comments on Sam Ruby's new initiative code-named
"Pie" to create a new RSS (Really Simple Syndication)
format to end the civil war between the RSS 0.9*
crowd, the RSS 1.0 crowd, and the RSS 2.0 crowd.

  I guess I'm not breaking any news here so let's move
on and see how this fits the XUL campaign.

  I think the RSS standardization is a great
real-world case-study and warm-up excercise for the
coming XUL standardization and Tim Bray's blog post
offers tons of insight from a veteran responsible for
the W3C XML spec among others.

  Here are some quotes:

  What To Call It? Call me an idealistic dreamer, but
I�d like to go on calling it RSS; a nice simple
easy-to-remember TLA [three letter acronym] that even
has a minor little beach-head in the popular

  The wise man says stick with XUL.

  Take It To a Standards Org? I think that in the long
run it would be good if RSS or Pie or whatever
weren�t �An XXX Specification�, where XXX is any
of Userland or IBM or Microsoft or Textuality or,
well, you get the idea. I think that the reasons for
this are so obvious that I�m not going to waste your
time walking through them.

  The wise man says a Mozilla specification is a joke.

     Don�t go to W3C, which is just too popular,
these days, for its own good. If we could convince W3C
to launch a Working Group (which would take months)
there would instantly be 75 or more companies who
wanted to join it, because RSS is Hot Stuff. It�s
not entirely impossible they could do a good job, but
it is entirely possible they could really screw it up.

  The wise man says the W3C is not the place for hot
stuff such as XUL.

  Four Points It�s easy enough to summarize. What I
care about is that we build something that�s:

    * 100% vendor neutral,
    * implemented by everybody,
    * freely extensible by anybody, and
    * cleanly and thoroughly specified.

  Full story @

  Any comments?

   - Gerald

PS: For more info about XUL (XML UI Language) check
out the XUL Alliance Site @ http://xul.sourceforge.net

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