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And HTML made subjects of us all, Michael.  Spy Vs Spy. 
Pick your heros and worship accordingly.  XML doesn't 

I suspect that by the time XAML is finally released, MS 
will take another dip in the Hytime pool and find the 
rest of the design.  Or they can call Newcomb and he 
will explain it to them.  No, wait a minute; Newcomb 
needs Kipp to translate so they should plan to buy two
tickets.  No wait, they both need Vicki to keep them 
from bickering.  Ah heck; let Redmond go to Blacksburg. ;-)

I live in a world where dynamic just-in-time clients 
could save us a lot of trouble, save the customer some 
hard to factor out implementation costs, and the standards 
for the data contracts have yet to be written.  The 
nice bit is that we can open up the services without 
surrendering to the thin-is-beautiful client with the 
slow-is-unavoidable consequences.

I read the rant.  I'm not sold on the performance; we 
proved with the MID it was doable but slow.  On the 
other hand, let's see what it does when compiled. As 
for programmer productivity, that is THE central dilemma 
faced in many IT shops and middle tier vendors, so if 
this improves that, I am happy to sign up ** as long 
as the migration path is clear **.  I don't want a 
disruptive technology; I want a coherent technology.

Just enough standardization to be polite; not enough 
to turn us into roadkill.


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Champion [mailto:mc@xegesis.org]

On Monday, Nov 3, 2003, at 16:24 America/Detroit, Bullard, Claude L 
(Len) wrote:

>  XAML with its extensibility perfectly reproduce
> the HyTime inheritable architectures and the GUI language of
> the US Navy MID.  Had we stopped at HTML we would be dead. If
> we refuse to enable XML inheritable architectures, we are dead.
> To have a future, pioneers must secure it.  Next time anyone
> on the list wants to have a gratuitous go at the SGMLers and
> HyTimers, keep in mind, they really were more advanced and
> ultimately right.

Well, Microsoft is making their customers subjects in a massive 
experiment to see if HTML is a dead end and HyTime-style inheritable 
architectures are the wave of the future.  I for one plan to reserve 
judgment on the outcome until the results are in.  We shall see whether 
the world is ready for a "Looks Best in Longhorn" campaign to undercut 
the standards that brought us to where we are today in the name of a 
"better" tomorrow.

I'm intrigued by the rant in 
http://w-uh.com/index.cgi/articles/031102-emperors_new_code.html -- 
XAML, etc. are about making it easier for developers to write code, not 
about making the code work better for end users.  Will consumers trade 
in their Mac, Palm, etc. systems (not to mention legacy Windows 
systems) so that software developers can have an easier life?  Maybe, 
if the applications really are a lot better, but we shall see about 


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