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Len, I guess I understand now what you are saying precisely; I cannot
agree with you more.. excellent point. best, murali.
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> Interpret, yes, but also to enable selection of visualization techniques
> in adaptive graphical user interfaces. As the next generation of
> adaptive interfaces emerges, we need to know more about the sources,
> their policies (eg, algorithms) to enable the system to dynamically
> select the interface model. That's a side jaunt, but what was on my
> mind while I was walking the dog.
>
> To be clear, I am not singling out Google as having become proprietary;
> I think that if we look around, we'll find non-deterministic aspects in
> many search engines, and possibly, **web services in general**. I used
> Google as the example because of realizing that my own mental model of
> the search interface is likely incorrect with how Google actually
> processes terms that I enter. The rest is a follow on from that
> realization. Part of that realization was that the metadata being
> derived is probably skewed as well, but how would one know?
>
> We say we can build web services as encapsulated systems and we can; yet
> that old bugaboo of trust but verify keeps popping back up. It is as if
> we need a model for adaptive paranoia which is what contracting
> processes are.
>
> len
>
> From: Murali Mani [mailto:mani@CS.UCLA.EDU]
>
> I think Len is arguing that if we know more about how google searches, we
> can interpret the results more.. such as in germany, I get german pages
> etc..
>
> I think several techniques used by google are kind of known..?? for
> example, we know that it uses page rank, text in anchor tags, tf-idf etc..
> but we do not know the exact numbers, and we do not know other metrics
> used etc..
>
> I think the question is: has google crossed the line with respect to what
> is proprietary and what is disclosed. I think Len argues that it has..
>
> To me, actually, I do not like too much non-determinism in the results
> that I see.. I think google has crossed the line with the non-determinism
> seen by the user, and user-based adaptivity.. they are using wrong
> metrics..?? Irrespective of where I am, I need the same results.. I think
> language etc should be handled differently..???
>
> After hearing that google uses user-based adaptivity, and that they are
> detecting user characteristics automatically.. I think that is not a
> correct approach.. google always maintained they wanted to keep things
> simple.. I think this is not keeping things simple... but what is
> alternative approach??
>
> as someone pointed out, we can go out google.com/ncr to get the same
> results irrespective of our location??
>
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