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   RE: [xml-dev] Sun's senior IT architect Victoria Livschitz about XML

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i agree len. in fact the basics of good design have been a mystery since
humans started building/making things. we seem to be  able to recognise
it, but not train for it particularly well. 

the most valuable course i did, relative to my current work, was in
system design - black boxes basically. don't know if it's still part of
the undergrad courses, but it should be.


On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 07:47, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> She doesn't understand what Lanier is saying or why 
> XML (data objects) scale and object-oriented objects 
> don't.  Chess doesn't teach one to program brilliantly 
> any better than sweeping floors teaches one to grade roads.
> But the real issue is not how brilliant a programmer or 
> computer scientist one is: it is how brilliant a systems 
> engineer one is.
> Logic and strategic forethought are not of necessity, the 
> basics of good design.  Nor is mathematics.
> len
> From: Dimitre Novatchev [mailto:dnovatchev@yahoo.com]
> From:
> http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/livschitz_qa.html
> "The world has gone crazy with XML and then web services; SOAP and UDDI are
> getting enormous attention, and, yet, from a software engineering
> standpoint, they seem to me a setback rather then a step forward.
> We now have a generation of young programmers who think of software in terms
> of square brackets. An enormous mess of XML documents that are now being
> created by enterprises at an alarming rate will be haunting our industry for
> decades. With all that excitement, no one seems to have the slightest
> interest in basic computer science."
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