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   Re: [xml-dev] OT - CSS - thoughts on non-compliant browsers

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Robert Koberg wrote:
> I realize this isn't the place to discuss CSS implementations, but I was 
> wondering about your thoughts on browsers that decide to go their own 
> way with regard to the spec. Actually, I would like some force to be 
> applied to the developers...

Hey, Bib, did you reuse a message from another thread?  You post,shown 
in a threaded view, showed up way deep in the current SAX thread.

> The browser in question is mozilla! They have decided that font pixel 
> sizing is wrong (in most cases I agree), so they take over the user's 
> CSS and provide their own interpretation.
> Now, I am not one to prescribe behavior for anyone. But I was wondering 
> if there is offense taken by others by this non standard approach. Is 
> anyone from mozilla here to explain there decision to abandon standards?

The trouble is accessibility.  If I can't resolve your carefully-chosen 
pixel font, I need to be able to enlarge it until I can.  This is a 
real-world issue - I know people who have 20-20 or even 20-15 vision who 
cannot resolve typefaces smaller than 9 or 10 point - they _have_ to 
enlarge some pages.  It's not a matter of reading glasses, tehy just do 
not have the resolution for some reason.

> Perhaps mozilla should be denigrated in favor of other choices... at 
> least for people who believe in standards.

I think that if the browser wants to scale up, it should be able to 
scale bitmapped graphics too - preferably with resampling.  But Moz is 
otherwise so good that I don't plan to give it up.

> The reason i bring this up is because we have built a beautiful, 
> standards compliant, 3 column, tableless layout which works in all 
> browsers. The problem occurs when a user resizes the text up in mozilla. 
> We have defined tab's text to be pixel based because we needed to use a 
> background image for the tabs (using a background-color and sliding 
> image broke all over the place). So we made the decision to go pixel 
> based for this one thing (the text is large to begin with). The layout 
> looks great in all browsers except mozilla when text is increased.

I do not see it as much of a problem.  A user who does not know about 
changing text size will not have any problem.  One who has done it a few 
times will know to adjust the text size to get a good compromise between 
fitting the graphics and being readable.  At least, that is what I find 
myself doing.

I am always glad I have the option, even though sometimes I want the 
graphics to scale too.  But scaling graphics, like Opera does, isn;t too 
good without resampling.


Tom P


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