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Please stop the negativity.
Gerald is a good guy. He does an awful lot of work, too.
> Hi Gerald,
> I'm sure that you and others are highly impressed by
> what MS did achieve in the last 20 or so years, but I
> was rather impressed by the recent "meta-discussions"
> about XML and now I am really annoyed by having that
> high a level of discussion on and questioning of XML
> and related technologies, destroyed and occluded by
> your XAML initiative.
> How about discussing that rather specific theme on the
> appropriate MS and other softie's mailing lists and
> not on the ever so general and sometimes meta-physical
> XML mailing list?
> Or are you afraid that people start questioning
> so-called achievements by the industry - eventually
> coming to terms that XML is not everything. In fact,
> XML is just nothing, it even puts us back to
> pre-relational times, when we had plain-text files to
> cope with.
> I'd rather have that sort of discussion here, and I am
> only a quiet observer for sometime, as having a
> "party-rallying" for MS technologies, that haven't
> been invented by them in the first place. Sorry for
> bashing, but it has to be said that XUL was there and
> is, and XAML has yet to show it's full potential and
> that is actually is working correctly and stable.
> Besides, I recently had a look at MS .com website and
> found that they do not even use ASP.net, even after
> them having revamped their website, or was it because
> I was using Mozilla and ASP.net does not produce
> our own dog-food?
> So, why don't you just ask your questions on XML
> rather than destroying valuable and creative
> discussions on behalf of XML, by throwing in some
> semi-discussion/question on XUL, eh I mean an XML
> derivative and proprietary language called XAML?
> Thanks for leaving us with the higher and lower ethics
> of XML and the languages associated with it, their
> potentials and obvious failures in terms of
> specifications, re-usability, abstractability, and
> whatever there is more to language and the culture
> associated with it.
> Carsten Klein
> --- Gerald Bauer <firstname.lastname@example.org> schrieb:
> > Hello Sergio,
> > >> * I do not say MyXaml is a language but rather a
> > parser
> > >
> > > In other words: XAML is a XML Application not a
> > XML
> > > Vocabulary, because it needs some special
> > treatment
> > > when parsing the XML document..., is this right?
> > First, to clarify the statement about MyXAML is
> > not
> > mine but from Marc Clifton.
> > The new cleaned-up XAML Microsoft is working on
> > will be like MyXAML a domain-neutral format
> > competing
> > with plain vanilla XML. XAML is neither a XML
> > application nor a XML vocabulary. XAML is a sort of
> > XML# or XML++ like XML is a sort of SGML--. To use
> > XAML like XML you need a parser e.g instead of using
> > a
> > XML parser you now need to use a XAML parser that
> > supports compound syntax, binding syntax, styling
> > syntax, etc.
> > Microsoft's upcoming markup languages competing
> > with HTML, SVG, XSL-FO, etc. will not be XML
> > applications or XML vocabularies but XAML
> > applications
> > or XAML vocabularies.
> > - Gerald
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> Carsten Klein
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