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ok, I was lead here as, as far as I can tell, the group gmane.text.xml.devel 
is a mirror of this list (given that a reference to this list is appended to 
the messages there).
I appologize if this is not the case.
pardon if I am being a troll, I am new here.

I am mostly requesting general comments, eg, on things that could be 
improved in my idea. I am not expecting anyone really to take me seriously.

ok. so I have been recently doing something roughly along the lines of a 
binary xml (not exactly, but I have designed it such that basic subset of 
xml maps fairly well, and doesn't give up any real info in the conversion). 
namespace definitions, however, are similar but not exactly the same, so 
this would be left to the conversion tool.

I tried to retain what I felt to be the general spirit and semantics of xml, 
as imo they seem quite decent for data (though, difficult to fully recognize 
as such or reason about). imo, they are better than a plain tree. I had 
considered stripping down the semantics at some points, but some things 
seemed interdependent (one needs rules and complexity in some places to 
grant freedoms in others, and one needs to figure out where to be strict and 
where to be lax...).

personally, I don't feel that within xml's core domains (network 
communications, messages, "documents", ...) a binary variant would be 
particularly helpful, however:
my interests lie more in data storage (for what xml works good for, I use 
formats like riff, ebml, ... leave a lot to be desired imo wrt semantics;
textual xml is not that great for data storage imo, eg, one can't skip over 
data or jump around in the same way they can with, say, riff, and imo base64 
coding would not be very good for cases when size is a priority, or if much 
of the data is large binary chunks.

in a kind of ideological frenzy, I beat something together, and have spent a 
while refining it.

I also have a basic implementation (not yet online, I have been a bit behind 
on this kind of thing recently).
not much coding has been being done recently (largely I am stuck fiddling 
with the details of the design, among other things not related to this).

things like file size or processor overhead are not high priorities here, I 
just try to save space when possible, and avoid wasting too much processor 
time. my results thus far have shown the generated files to be slightly 
smaller than the input xml (presently lacking any kind of content string 
compression, though tag compression is done). this could be viewed as a good 
sign I guess.

here is a recent draft of the spec:
XLIFF (0.1.1):
Partially fueled by an argument about EBML, I came up with this.
It has little to do with LIFF, but, hell, I am not really using LIFF (it 
ended up too close to RIFF and too generally ugly...).
This format shows itself to be kind of a pain to code up, but this is not 
entirely unexpected.

Cleaning up spec some from 10-29 version, minor alterations.
Stripping out container stuff, as it clutters the spec and doesn't really 
make sense in this context anyways (keeping the old version as the idea may 
be adaptable to a different format).

A binary format with similar flexibility to XML (X);
Support for large files and datasets (L);
Sort of like RIFF and IFF (IFF).

This will be a TLV format with attributes and namespaces similar to XML.
It will use a tag dictionary to help reduce the total file size.
It should be acceptable for random access and "big chunks of data" style 
uses (like RIFF, IFF, and EBML).

The MSB (bit 7) serves to indicate the precense of following (higher order) 

0xxxxxxx, -64..63
1xxxxxxx 0xxxxxxx, -8192..8191
1xxxxxxx 1xxxxxxx 0xxxxxxx, -1M..1M

Values are in Low-High order and with 2s complement encoding.
As a result, the sign is implicitly contained in bit 6 of the last byte.

The maximum value of a number depends on the implementation, and an 
implementation is allowed to refuse overly large numbers.
However, I will spec that the limit should be at least 32 bits (a 35 bit 
number with the upper 4 bits either all 0 or 1).

Number len; //length if >0, dictionary index if <0, empty string if 0
if(len>0)byte str[len];

Strings may be indexed in a dictionary. The exact semantics for dictionaries 
will depend on context.

String ns;
String tag;
Number alen;
if(alen>0)byte attr[alen];
Number dlen;
if(dlen>0)byte data[dlen]; //the contents depend on the ns and tag

String ns;
String tag;
Number dlen;
if(dlen>0)byte data[dlen];

In tags and attributes, negative chunk lengths are reserved.

Implicit XLIFF attributes are allowed in nodes without restrictions as they 
are not generally viewed as part of the content.
Duplicate attributes are not allowed.
Attributes may not contain either tags or other attributes (other 
non-nestable structures will generally be allowed). Attributes should be 
kept small in both size and number.

Tag Dictionary:
There will be a dictionary responsible for namespaces, tags, and attribute 
This dictionary will behave similarly to a stack;
Any new strings are added to the end of the current dictionary level 
(encoded directly and not allready present);
On descent into a node, the dictionary is retained from the parent, creating 
a new level;
Any new strings are added to the end of the current dictionary level;
On exit from a node, any strings added in that level are removed (making it 
as if the descent had not occured).

The use of a dictionary allows denser packing (due to, eg, tags being 1 or 2 
Fairly dense packing might require building the entire dictionary upfront, 
but an encoder can have less dense packing, eg, by just encoding strings 
The need for upfront dictionaries for packing to work well is related to 
ideas for allowing faster processing by not having to descend into subnodes 
to build an up-to-date dictionary, and also to allow random access in some 

Body Dictionaries:
Each namespace will also have a "body dictionary", which may be used for 
compressing content strings in a content specific manner. The maintainence 
of these dictionaries is largely left to the format in question (however, 
they will implicitly pop off anything added within a node).

The format is a tree, with the default toplevel tag flagging the format.

Special tags could exist for maintenence purposes (eg: adding a basic set of 
common strings to the dictionary, ...).
Like XML, some special tags may exist prior to the root to define things 
(the base dictionary, ...).

The empty string namespace is the "default" namespace.

Except builtin XLIFF namespaces (default, XLIFF, ...) namespaces are to be 
declared prior to use.
Formats are given control over how namespaces are used/defined.

Namespaces refer to several URI's:
the Type URI, which defines the physical type of the container (eg: XML).
the Namespace URI, which defines the semantic type of the container (eg: an 
XML Namespace).

Any namespaces beginning with "XLIFF" are reserved for use by XLIFF.
XLIFF.*: basic XLIFF namespaces, failure to understand tags/attributes 
should cause failure;
XLIFF.S.*: semantic XLIFF namespaces, these are allowed to be ignored, but 
should be preserved;
XLIFF.O.*: optional XLIFF namespaces, these may be ignored or stripped off 
without effecting content.

There will be a basic "XLIFF" namespace, and being unable to parse tags in 
this namespace will be viewed as an error (this namespace will handle things 
which may change the format of subsequent data, effect dictionaries, ...). 
XLIFF attributes are required to be understood before attempting to parse 
the contents of a node.

"XLIFF.S" will be used for semantic XLIFF tags, failure to understand them 
will not compromise decoding of the format.

"XLIFF.O" will be used for optional XLIFF tags, failure to understand or 
removal of them will not compromise decoding of the format.

"XLIFF.NS" could be a namespace for namespace declatations (like in XML). 
eg, "XLIFF.NS:foo" as an attribute could declare a foo namespace.
the content of these tags could be an array of pairs of strings, eg:
"TypeURI", "xliff:foo_container", "NSURI", "xliff:bar_ns".

An tag required at the start of an XLIFF file serving to mark it as a valid 
XLIFF file, and to give general info about the file.

XLIFF:TypeName Header Attribute, gives a general "file type name" used for 
identifying the type (appart from examining the contents or namespaces). It 
is encoded as a raw string.

XLIFF:HeaderFlags Header Attribute
Contains a number marking various flags for a file. Unknown flags may be 
1&=dictionary is static within the file.

Other attributes may be found in the header besides those related to XLIFF. 
An example would be custom or format specific tags.

XLIFF:DictStrings Tag
Defines a glob of strings to be added to the tag dictionary.
This may be used for reducing the number of occurances of some common tag 
which may only occure in sublevels or such.

XLIFF:NodeFlags Attribute
Contains a number marking various flags for a node. Unknown flags may be 
1&=this node is compound;
2&=dictionary is static within this node.

XLIFF.O:JUNK Tag/Attribute
Marks a space as being "junk", thus allowing leaving some space for new 
tags, attributes, or padding.


There are 2 ways to do XML in XLIFF:
 A unified document (all the content, or at least the toplevel, is XML);
 A mixed document (the toplevel is not necissarily XML).

In the unified document case the toplevel tag is 'XML' (with at least the 
default namespace declared as being XML), which may contain any xml header 
tags and the xml root.
Namespace declarations are to be converted to XLIFF style.

In the mixed document case, at least the basic xml namespaces are to be 
declared in the file toplevel (along probably with others).
The nstype for XML is 'xliff:binxml'.

String Globs
All textual data will be represented by a number of strings stuck end to 
These will use a "textglob dictionary", which will follow the same rules as 
that for the tag dictionary.

Attribute data is defined as a glob of strings.

An empty tag value flags a glob of textual data. The body for this is a 
string glob.


here is a small fragment from the test app:
int EncodeXMLNode(XLIFFW_Context *ctx, NetParse_Node *node)
 NetParse_Attr *acur;
 NetParse_Node *ncur;

  XLIFFW_BeginTag(ctx, "", "");

  XLIFFW_WriteString(ctx, node->text);


 XLIFFW_BeginTag(ctx, node->ns, node->key);

  XLIFFW_BeginAttr(ctx, acur->ns, acur->key);
  XLIFFW_WriteString(ctx, acur->value);

 if(node->first)XLIFFW_NodeFlagsAttr(ctx, XLIFF_NFL_COMPOUND);

  EncodeXMLNode(ctx, ncur);



and another:



 XLIFFW_WriteHeader(wctx, "xliff:test", 3);

// XLIFFW_BeginDictStrings(wctx);
// WriteXMLDictNode(wctx, n);
// XLIFFW_EndDictStrings(wctx);

 XLIFFW_BeginTag(wctx, "", "XML");
 XLIFFW_BindNSAttr(wctx, "", "xliff:binxml", "");


 EncodeXMLNode(wctx, n);






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