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Yes. And as selectors of each other as
selectors of each other. The crowd is meatware for first and second order
cybernetic systems. All you need is
access and an editable page in the basic; they you start adding business
A really useful object gets adopted by lots
of other systems.
That last bit is important. One can
think of these community efforts as bottom-up systems that create and dissolve
own control hierarchies (a hierarchy of
feedback/feedforward mechanisms). They may start flat but don't stay
They may create arbitrarily deep levels of
control, but typically, don't stay that way. There is some amount of
and rebuilding going on but the time scales
for that vary. One can study the different influences on
Consider a reality show in which a single
pigeon (called that so as not to spec gender) signs up to have its mate chosen
by a team where the members of that team are
other pigeons the single pigeon has dated in the past. Just to make
fun, all of the selector pigeons are already
mated so they are 'experts' in what constitutes a mate and having been a
mate of the unmated pigeons, have opinions
(if not expertise) about the best selection. Now toss their parents
select the mating candidates for the single
pigeon from a list submitted by the past mates of the single pigeon
All the single pigeon gets to do is throw candidates
out. As the candidate is thrown out, so is the person who 'secretly'
submitted that candidate so in successive
rounds, of selection, the better selectors of selections survive.
Note: the single pigeon has to
live with the selections for at least two
weeks in serial monogamy. That is the show.
You can make this as complex as you like by
adding new selector rules. This is the fundamental issue with
choreography systems too. A
disruptive object is not disruptive by kind or type, but by the strategy by
which it is applied.
My ex-girlfriends selected my wife.
Having selected them well was the key to the success of the selection of the
Having been selected by them was the key to
winning the game defined here as staying married.
If I understand Len properly, crowds work well as feedback mechanisms to
weed out the clever ideas that don't work and fuzz together the essentially
similar ideas that do work. They also serve in some way I don't
understand to create an overshoot / collapse / reinvent mechanism that one
sees both in popular culture fashion and in geek