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  • Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Re: Major Historical SOA Milestone Today
  • From: "Bullard, Claude L \(Len\)" <len.bullard@intergraph.com>
  • Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:57:26 -0500
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  • Thread-topic: [xml-dev] Re: Major Historical SOA Milestone Today

Possibly the case, but what Joe is after is an effort to clear the
water. It seems like an honorable effort from here. 

There are some very major and very important public efforts centered
around SOA concepts.  One wants them to work or for the powers that be
to stop throwing the money at them.  Joe and others are making a good
faith effort to see to that.

Facts should change perceptions.  That they sometimes don't speaks to
the stickiness of acts and the intensions that make one unwilling to
admit a mistake has been made because then one's intensions are
perceived as less than perfect.  We insist on perfection from authority
and that is the most irrational act of all.  So "good intensions and the
road to hell...".  The quote you make is the defense of irrational
behavior.  Keep in mind, if we apply the rule of the wisdom of crowds,
we accept the existence of God, UFOs, ghosts, and that Chris deserved to
be kicked off American Idol.  From the sublime to the silly, crowds
aren't that discerning.

The web has a very long and easily discernible habit of insisting on
simplicity where the dangers of incompleteness are evident.  Companies
have a long and easily discernible habit of selling more where less is
sufficient.   The utility of REST vs WS is somewhere between those two
spaces.  It is probably not one member of that locale, but several in

Two points of view:

1) "For every complex problem there is a simple solution and it provably
doesn't work."

2) "For every complex problem there is a set of simple solutions and
they are the only things that provably work."

I'd like to believe that companies are honorably disagreeing on
technical issues, but I note the disparity in stock prices and can't
help but wonder how much of these debates is just FUD from both sides.

Joe is trying to clear it up.  It is a good idea.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrzej Jan Taramina [mailto:andrzej@chaeron.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:38 AM
To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org; Bullard, Claude L (Len)
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Re: Major Historical SOA Milestone Today


> SOA isn't meaningless. 

I didn't say that SOA is meaningless.  What I said was that many 
organization's perceptions of the term is that it is "yet another
IT marketing buzzword.".  

And to see your quotes and raise you one:

	"Perception is reality".

Multiple definitions of SOA, which is an IT Architectural concept, for 
different domains just muddies the water and promotes the negative 
perceptions, IMO.

Andrzej Jan Taramina
Chaeron Corporation: Enterprise System Solutions


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