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RE: [xml-dev] XSD Schema type derived by restriction problem

I'm afraid I don't know enough about JAX-RPC to comment sensibly. However,
in general the mapping between XSD types and Java types is always going to
be rough-and-ready - there will never be an exact one-to-one correspondence
between the value spaces. So I'm not really sure what your issue is.

Personally, I think it's much better to keep the data within a single type
system if you possibly can (ie "end-to-end XML"): it avoids a lot of


Michael Kay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Loschen [mailto:closchen@stanfordalumni.org] 
> Sent: 20 November 2009 21:20
> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: RE: [xml-dev] XSD Schema type derived by restriction problem
> Thanks again for your help, Ken and Mike. It isn't 
> necessarily what I wanted to hear, but better to know the 
> truth than to persist in my misunderstanding.
> We built our implementation relying on this part of the 
> JAX-RPC 1.1 spec:
> ***
> 4.2.5 Simple Types Derived By Restriction
> The XML Schema specification allows the definition of new 
> simple types obtained by restricting an existing simple type. 
> Restrictions on the set of allowed values are specified using 
> one or more of 12 predefined facets.
> A simple type derived by restriction from another simple 
> type, referred to as its base type, is mapped to the same 
> Java type that its base type is mapped to. If its base type 
> does not have a standard JAX-RPC mapping (i.e. is 
> unsupported), then the derived type itself is unsupported.
> Several built-in types defined in the XML Schema 
> specification are derived by restriction from other types for 
> which JAX-RPC provides a standard mapping.
> Such types must in consequence be mapped according to the 
> rules in the preceding paragraphs.
> Example
> The built-in xsd:normalizedString type is derived by 
> restriction from xsd:string, hence it must be mapped to 
> java.lang.String.
> ***
> We read that as saying in this case, the custom type derived 
> from xs:dateTime needed to be mapped to the class that 
> xs:dateTime is mapped to:
> java.util.Calendar. However, there is a loss of precision 
> there: the restriction of the parent type is no longer 
> enforced when you lose the mapping to the child. I read that 
> as saying the same thing as you're saying that the custom 
> type is derived from the parent rather than vice versa.
> I still wonder if the problem here is in the JAX-RPC spec 
> itself, since that step is where we're losing the restriction 
> to a custom type. Or do you think I'm misunderstanding that 
> passage as well?
> Thanks again.
> Best,
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G. Ken Holman [mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:56 PM
> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] XSD Schema type derived by restriction problem
> At 2009-11-20 13:39 -0500, Christopher Loschen wrote:
> >Thanks very much for your reply!
> >
> >Yes, we do have the xs prefix mapped.
> Then I find the error message wording misleading from the 
> processor you are
> using:
>    " Invalid xsi:type qname: 'xs:dateTime' in element "
> ... I interpreted to mean that the name was syntactically 
> invalid, not that the type chosen by that name is invalid in 
> the context given.
> I think Mike has already explained the real problem.
> When looking for chapter and verse of the W3C specifications, 
> I find xsi:type= documented in the context of using abstract 
> types in the schema and needing to specify something derived 
> from an abstract type in the instance using xsi:type=.  While 
> that isn't your situation, Mike's observation that in your 
> note you state your type you are overriding is derived itself 
> from dateTime thus dateTime cannot be a derived type of it 
> seems to hit the mark:
> At 2009-11-20 13:10 -0500, Christopher Loschen wrote:
> >I'm working with a schema that defines a type by restricting 
> the simple 
> >dateTime type.
> >...
> >we specify that this element is of xsi:type="xs:dateTime" 
> (that is, the 
> >parent type).
> . . . . . . . . . . Ken
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