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*From*:**Peter Hunsberger <peter.hunsberger@gmail.com>***To*: Dimitre Novatchev <dnovatchev@gmail.com>*Date*: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 00:31:57 +0000

Hi Dimitre,

Two different things, go read the Wikipedia page Norman pointed at, as I said it gets it right. The fact that reals are transcendent does not affect their Cantor classification. And yes, I did learn this while is was in grade school, but not in class.... :)

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 4:30 PM Dimitre Novatchev <dnovatchev@gmail.com> wrote:

>> of integers. In contrast, the number of real numbers is a 'larger

>> infinity' than the number of integers. If you wish to further explore

>> this rabbit hole, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number> and

>> work outwards...

>>

>>

>

> Actually no, and thankfully the Wikipedia page gets this right.

Peter, sorry, but you are mistaken on this. This must be studied even

in high school math classes nowadays.

The set R of real numbers is denser than the set N of natural numbers

(and equivalently the set of all integers).

This is due to the fact that there are real numbers that are not

rational numbers (transcendental numbers such as Pi or e).

And if we need Wikipedia for this, here is what it says

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_number):

"In mathematics, a transcendental number is a real or complex number

that is not algebraic—that is, it is not a root of a nonzero

polynomial equation with integer (or, equivalently, rational

coefficients. The best-known transcendental numbers are π and e.

Though only a few classes of transcendental numbers are known (in part

because it can be extremely difficult to show that a given number is

transcendental), transcendental numbers are not rare. Indeed, almost

all real and complex numbers are transcendental, since the algebraic

numbers are countable while the sets of real and complex numbers are

both uncountable. "

To repeat:

The sets of real and complex numbers are both uncountable. And almost

all real and complex numbers are transcendental.

Cheers,

Dimitre

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Peter Hunsberger

<peter.hunsberger@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:33 AM Norman Gray <norman@astro.gla.ac.uk>

>>

>>

>> It will be, but since there are as many elements in that set as there

>> are positive integers (they can be put into a one-to-one

>> correspondence), it is no bigger or smaller an infinity than the number

>> of integers. In contrast, the number of real numbers is a 'larger

>> infinity' than the number of integers. If you wish to further explore

>> this rabbit hole, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number> and

>> work outwards...

>>

>>

>

> Actually no, and thankfully the Wikipedia page gets this right. Integers and

> reals are both of cardinality Aleph naught. The easiest way to conceptualize

> this equivalence is to think of them both as being mappable to a set of

> points on a line. The set of solutions to all polynomials is traditionally

> considered not to be of Aleph naught, (one can think of this as being some

> what multidimensional). However, I have recently seen some arguments to the

> contrary, though I have not spent the time to dig into them.

>

> Peter Hunsberger

>>

>>

>> _______________________________________________________________________

>>

> --

> Peter Hunsberger

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Cheers,

Dimitre Novatchev

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**References**:**Infinity***From:*Michael Kay <mike@saxonica.com>

**Re: [xml-dev] Infinity***From:*Elliotte Rusty Harold <elharo@ibiblio.org>

**Re: [xml-dev] Infinity***From:*"Norman Gray" <norman@astro.gla.ac.uk>

**Re: [xml-dev] Infinity***From:*Peter Hunsberger <peter.hunsberger@gmail.com>

**Re: [xml-dev] Infinity***From:*Dimitre Novatchev <dnovatchev@gmail.com>

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