Re: [xml-dev] Please stop writing specifications that cannot beparsed/pr

[Thomas Passin <list1@tompassin.net>]

On 5/26/2023 11:07 AM, Peter Flynn wrote:
> On 26/05/2023 08:18, Norm Tovey-Walsh wrote:
> > > Can ChatGpt do that? :)
> > “No.” But it can almost certainly spit out a great big slab of prose 
> > that would prove very difficult to distinguish from such a document.
> You may bet whatever portion of your anatomy you care to wager on them 
> getting it wrong in the blandest way possible.
>
> Peter
>
>
>  >> please write me the standard for washing machine safety
>
> Washing Machine Safety Standard
>
> Washing machines play a crucial role in our daily lives, but it's 
> important to prioritize safety when using these appliances. 
> Manufacturers and regulatory bodies have established several safety 
> standards to ensure the safe operation of washing machines. Here are 
> some key standards that address washing machine safety:
>
> 1. Electrical Safety: [snip]
> 2. Mechanical Safety: [snip]
> 3. Water and Leak Safety: [snip]
> 4. Safety Interlocks: [snip]
> 5. Temperature and Thermal Safety: [snip]
> 6. User Instructions and Warning Labels: [snip]
>
> It's important to note that specific safety standards can vary depending 
> on the country or region. Manufacturers typically design their products 
> to comply with the relevant standards in the target market. As a 
> consumer, it's advisable to familiarize yourself with the user manual, 
> follow the manufacturer's instructions, and use the washing machine in 
> accordance with recommended safety practices to ensure safe usage.
>
> etc etc ad nauseam.
You can get much better results with the right prompting;  in some cases 
you might get a decent starting point for further development.  Here's a 
transcript of a ChatGPT session I tried:

Me:
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"act as a specialist in standards for washing machines.  Assume that I 
am an experienced engineer for the design of washing machines. Write a 
standard for washing machine safety for the US market.  Do not explain 
what a safety standard is or who safety is important."

ChatGPT:
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"Title: Safety Standards for Washing Machines - US Market

Scope
This standard establishes safety requirements for the design, 
construction, and operation of washing machines intended for household 
and similar use in the United States market. It covers all aspects 
related to the safe and efficient functioning of washing machines, 
including electrical, mechanical, and operational safety.

Definitions
2.1 Washing Machine
A device designed for the cleaning and rinsing of textiles, fabrics, or 
garments, typically using water and detergent.

2.2 Household and Similar Use
The utilization of washing machines in residential settings or other 
locations where the conditions and characteristics are similar to those 
found in typical households.

General Requirements
3.1 Mechanical Safety
3.1.1 The washing machine design should ensure stability and resistance 
to tipping during operation.
3.1.2 Sharp edges or protruding parts that may cause injury during 
normal use or maintenance should be minimized or adequately protected.
3.1.3 Moving parts, such as agitators or drums, should be guarded to 
prevent accidental contact during operation.
3.1.4 Access to rotating or moving components for maintenance and 
repairs should be designed in a manner that minimizes the risk of injury.
3.2 Electrical Safety
3.2.1 Electrical components and connections should be designed, 
manufactured, and installed in accordance with applicable electrical 
safety standards and regulations.
3.2.2 Adequate measures should be taken to protect against electric 
shock, including proper grounding, insulation, and protection against 
moisture ingress.
3.2.3 The power cord and plug should be designed to prevent damage, and 
the appliance should include overcurrent protection.

3.3 Water Safety
3.3.1 The washing machine should be designed to prevent water leakage 
during normal operation.
3.3.2 Adequate measures should be in place to prevent accidental 
flooding or water overflow, including the incorporation of sensors and 
overflow protection systems.
3.3.3 Components in contact with water, such as hoses and valves, should 
be made of materials resistant to corrosion and degradation.

3.4 Control Systems
3.4.1 User controls and indicators should be clear, intuitive, and easy 
to understand.
3.4.2 The washing machine should include appropriate safety interlocks 
and emergency stop mechanisms to prevent hazardous situations.
3.4.3 Control systems should incorporate protection against abnormal 
operating conditions, such as excessive temperature or excessive vibration.

3.5 Safety Instructions and Labels
3.5.1 The washing machine should be accompanied by comprehensive safety 
instructions, including installation, operation, and maintenance procedures.
3.5.2 Safety warnings and labels should be clearly displayed on the 
appliance, indicating potential hazards and necessary precautions.

Testing and Certification
4.1 Compliance Testing
Manufacturers should conduct appropriate testing and verification 
procedures to ensure compliance with this safety standard before placing 
washing machines on the market.
4.2 Certification
Washing machines meeting the requirements of this safety standard should 
be certified by a recognized certification body before being marketed or 
sold in the United States.

Maintenance and Repairs
5.1 Servicing and Repair Information
Manufacturers should provide authorized service technicians with 
detailed instructions for maintenance, repairs, and replacement of 
components to ensure safe and proper functioning of the washing machine.
5.2 Spare Parts
Availability of genuine spare parts should be ensured for a reasonable 
period to facilitate repairs and maintenance.

Compliance and Enforcement
6.1 Regulatory Authorities
Relevant regulatory authorities are responsible for monitoring and 
enforcing compliance with this safety standard. They have the authority 
to inspect and test washing machines to ensure they meet the prescribed 
safety requirements.
6.2 Non-compliance
In the event of non-compliance with this safety standard, appropriate 
measures may be taken by regulatory authorities, such as issuing 
warnings, imposing penalties,"

Me:
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"you wrote "3.2.1 Electrical components and connections should be 
designed, manufactured, and installed in accordance with applicable 
electrical safety standards and regulations." Acting as an electrical 
safety engineer, generate language for the standard that explains which 
standards and regulations are applicable in the US."

ChatGPT:
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"3.2.1 Electrical components and connections should be designed, 
manufactured, and installed in accordance with the following applicable 
electrical safety standards and regulations in the United States:

a) National Electrical Code (NEC): The electrical components and 
connections of washing machines should comply with the requirements 
outlined in the NEC, published by the National Fire Protection 
Association (NFPA). The NEC provides comprehensive guidelines for 
electrical installations and equipment to ensure safe electrical practices.

b) UL Standards: The components and electrical systems used in washing 
machines should meet the relevant Underwriters Laboratories (UL) 
standards. UL is a recognized independent safety certification 
organization that sets standards for various electrical and electronic 
devices to ensure their safety and performance.

c) Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Regulations: If the washing 
machine includes communication features such as wireless connectivity or 
radio frequency (RF) transmission, it should comply with the FCC 
regulations regarding electromagnetic interference (EMI) and radio 
frequency interference (RFI). This ensures that the operation of the 
washing machine does not interfere with other electronic devices.

d) Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Regulations: The 
design, construction, and installation of electrical components should 
comply with the electrical safety regulations established by OSHA. These 
regulations aim to protect workers from electrical hazards and ensure 
safe working environments.

e) Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) Guidelines: The electrical 
safety aspects of washing machines should align with the guidelines 
provided by the CPSC. The CPSC works to protect consumers from 
unreasonable risks of injury associated with consumer products, 
including electrical appliances.

f) State and Local Electrical Codes: In addition to the national 
standards mentioned above, compliance with relevant state and local 
electrical codes is essential. These codes may have specific 
requirements or amendments that manufacturers should consider to ensure 
compliance with local regulations.

It is the responsibility of the manufacturers to stay updated with the 
latest versions and revisions of these standards and regulations and 
incorporate them into the design, manufacture, and installation of 
electrical components and connections in washing machines destined for 
the US market."