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Re: [xml-dev] Please stop writing specifications that cannot beparsed/processed by software

On 5/26/2023 11:07 AM, Peter Flynn wrote:
On 26/05/2023 08:18, Norm Tovey-Walsh wrote:
Can ChatGpt do that? :)
“No.” But it can almost certainly spit out a great big slab of prose that would prove very difficult to distinguish from such a document.
You may bet whatever portion of your anatomy you care to wager on them getting it wrong in the blandest way possible.

Peter


>> please write me the standard for washing machine safety

Washing Machine Safety Standard

Washing machines play a crucial role in our daily lives, but it's important to prioritize safety when using these appliances. Manufacturers and regulatory bodies have established several safety standards to ensure the safe operation of washing machines. Here are some key standards that address washing machine safety:

1. Electrical Safety: [snip]
2. Mechanical Safety: [snip]
3. Water and Leak Safety: [snip]
4. Safety Interlocks: [snip]
5. Temperature and Thermal Safety: [snip]
6. User Instructions and Warning Labels: [snip]

It's important to note that specific safety standards can vary depending on the country or region. Manufacturers typically design their products to comply with the relevant standards in the target market. As a consumer, it's advisable to familiarize yourself with the user manual, follow the manufacturer's instructions, and use the washing machine in accordance with recommended safety practices to ensure safe usage.

etc etc ad nauseam.
You can get much better results with the right prompting; in some cases you might get a decent starting point for further development. Here's a transcript of a ChatGPT session I tried:

Me:
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"act as a specialist in standards for washing machines. Assume that I am an experienced engineer for the design of washing machines. Write a standard for washing machine safety for the US market. Do not explain what a safety standard is or who safety is important."

ChatGPT:
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"Title: Safety Standards for Washing Machines - US Market

Scope
This standard establishes safety requirements for the design, construction, and operation of washing machines intended for household and similar use in the United States market. It covers all aspects related to the safe and efficient functioning of washing machines, including electrical, mechanical, and operational safety.

Definitions
2.1 Washing Machine
A device designed for the cleaning and rinsing of textiles, fabrics, or garments, typically using water and detergent.

2.2 Household and Similar Use
The utilization of washing machines in residential settings or other locations where the conditions and characteristics are similar to those found in typical households.

General Requirements
3.1 Mechanical Safety
3.1.1 The washing machine design should ensure stability and resistance to tipping during operation.
3.1.2 Sharp edges or protruding parts that may cause injury during normal use or maintenance should be minimized or adequately protected.
3.1.3 Moving parts, such as agitators or drums, should be guarded to prevent accidental contact during operation.
3.1.4 Access to rotating or moving components for maintenance and repairs should be designed in a manner that minimizes the risk of injury.
3.2 Electrical Safety
3.2.1 Electrical components and connections should be designed, manufactured, and installed in accordance with applicable electrical safety standards and regulations.
3.2.2 Adequate measures should be taken to protect against electric shock, including proper grounding, insulation, and protection against moisture ingress.
3.2.3 The power cord and plug should be designed to prevent damage, and the appliance should include overcurrent protection.

3.3 Water Safety
3.3.1 The washing machine should be designed to prevent water leakage during normal operation.
3.3.2 Adequate measures should be in place to prevent accidental flooding or water overflow, including the incorporation of sensors and overflow protection systems.
3.3.3 Components in contact with water, such as hoses and valves, should be made of materials resistant to corrosion and degradation.

3.4 Control Systems
3.4.1 User controls and indicators should be clear, intuitive, and easy to understand.
3.4.2 The washing machine should include appropriate safety interlocks and emergency stop mechanisms to prevent hazardous situations.
3.4.3 Control systems should incorporate protection against abnormal operating conditions, such as excessive temperature or excessive vibration.

3.5 Safety Instructions and Labels
3.5.1 The washing machine should be accompanied by comprehensive safety instructions, including installation, operation, and maintenance procedures.
3.5.2 Safety warnings and labels should be clearly displayed on the appliance, indicating potential hazards and necessary precautions.

Testing and Certification
4.1 Compliance Testing
Manufacturers should conduct appropriate testing and verification procedures to ensure compliance with this safety standard before placing washing machines on the market.
4.2 Certification
Washing machines meeting the requirements of this safety standard should be certified by a recognized certification body before being marketed or sold in the United States.

Maintenance and Repairs
5.1 Servicing and Repair Information
Manufacturers should provide authorized service technicians with detailed instructions for maintenance, repairs, and replacement of components to ensure safe and proper functioning of the washing machine.
5.2 Spare Parts
Availability of genuine spare parts should be ensured for a reasonable period to facilitate repairs and maintenance.

Compliance and Enforcement
6.1 Regulatory Authorities
Relevant regulatory authorities are responsible for monitoring and enforcing compliance with this safety standard. They have the authority to inspect and test washing machines to ensure they meet the prescribed safety requirements.
6.2 Non-compliance
In the event of non-compliance with this safety standard, appropriate measures may be taken by regulatory authorities, such as issuing warnings, imposing penalties,"

Me:
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"you wrote "3.2.1 Electrical components and connections should be designed, manufactured, and installed in accordance with applicable electrical safety standards and regulations." Acting as an electrical safety engineer, generate language for the standard that explains which standards and regulations are applicable in the US."

ChatGPT:
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"3.2.1 Electrical components and connections should be designed, manufactured, and installed in accordance with the following applicable electrical safety standards and regulations in the United States:

a) National Electrical Code (NEC): The electrical components and connections of washing machines should comply with the requirements outlined in the NEC, published by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA). The NEC provides comprehensive guidelines for electrical installations and equipment to ensure safe electrical practices.

b) UL Standards: The components and electrical systems used in washing machines should meet the relevant Underwriters Laboratories (UL) standards. UL is a recognized independent safety certification organization that sets standards for various electrical and electronic devices to ensure their safety and performance.

c) Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Regulations: If the washing machine includes communication features such as wireless connectivity or radio frequency (RF) transmission, it should comply with the FCC regulations regarding electromagnetic interference (EMI) and radio frequency interference (RFI). This ensures that the operation of the washing machine does not interfere with other electronic devices.

d) Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Regulations: The design, construction, and installation of electrical components should comply with the electrical safety regulations established by OSHA. These regulations aim to protect workers from electrical hazards and ensure safe working environments.

e) Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) Guidelines: The electrical safety aspects of washing machines should align with the guidelines provided by the CPSC. The CPSC works to protect consumers from unreasonable risks of injury associated with consumer products, including electrical appliances.

f) State and Local Electrical Codes: In addition to the national standards mentioned above, compliance with relevant state and local electrical codes is essential. These codes may have specific requirements or amendments that manufacturers should consider to ensure compliance with local regulations.

It is the responsibility of the manufacturers to stay updated with the latest versions and revisions of these standards and regulations and incorporate them into the design, manufacture, and installation of electrical components and connections in washing machines destined for the US market."



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