I'll take that out of the Guidelines.
I'm intending a revision just after the Kavi launch as there's probably
some procedures that will change. If anyone has any other comments or
concerns about the Guidelines please let me know.
-Karl
Hal Lockhart wrote:
> The key point is that under the current rules, just by sending an email to
> the chair and NEVER SHOWING UP for any meeting or call, a few people can
> keep a TC from attaining quorum, EVER. The phenomenon of people signing up
> and never showing up has occurred on every TC I have joined. Most of the TCs
> I have joined have had repeated difficulties achieving quorum at some point
> in their lifecycle, usually in the first few months.
>
> In the "Organizing and Conducting Meetings" section of the Oasis TC
> Guidelines it says:
>
> "Only quorate meetings (majority of members in attendance) can be used to
> determine membership based on attendance, and TC decisions can only be made
> with quorum in attendance."
>
> Hal
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Karl Best [mailto:]
>>Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:10 AM
>>To:
>>Subject: [chairs] Re: Quorum required for good standing
>>
>>
>>The OASIS TC Process says that a person must attend two out of three
>>meetings, but it doesn't define what consitutes a meeting. In
>>all cases
>>where the TC Process doesn't define something we must look to
>>RRO. I've
>>been under the impression that only quorate meetings would count for
>>attendence rules, but I think that the reference Jon gave us
>>would say
>>otherwise.
>>
>>But you'll still want to keep track of attendence and send
>>out warnings
>>to people who don't attend because non-attending members make it
>>difficult or impossible for the TC to ever achieve quorum and
>>be able to
>>transact business.
>>
>>-Karl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hal Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>>I agree completely with this. This one of the two changes I
>>
>>was going to
>>
>>>propose to the TC process. I had wanted to look up what
>>
>>Robert's says. Thank
>>
>>>you Jon.
>>>
>>>I have been in several TC where we would NEVER have
>>
>>achieved quorum if we
>>
>>>had not been ignorant of and not followed this rule. Every
>>
>>TC I have been
>>
>>>has a certain number of no shows and if you can't get rid
>>
>>of them w/o quorum
>>
>>>you are stuck.
>>>
>>>I think the OASIS process, regularly scheduled meetings,
>>
>>open archives and
>>
>>>minutes, ability of 10% of membership to veto a Standard,
>>
>>has adequate
>>
>>>safeguards to keep a small group from hijacking a TC.
>>>
>>>Hal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Jon Bosak [mailto:]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:22 PM
>>>>To:
>>>>Cc: ; ;
>>>>; ;
>>>
>>;
>>
>>>>; ;
>>>>;
>>>>Subject: Re: [chairs] Info for chair setup of Kavi TC areas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>| Yes, as I said above. A person will sign up for the TC, be made a
>>>>| prospective member and assigned an Observer role, then converted
>>>>| to Member after 60 days or three meetings. (This is another reason
>>>>| that you need to keep track of meeting attendance. Only meetings
>>>>| that achieve quorum count as valid meetings, and the number of
>>>>| valid meetings is used to calculate the three meeting rule.)
>>>>
>>>>I don't think this is correct. Good standing is (or should be)
>>>>based on good-faith attempts to attend meetings. Attendance at
>>>>regularly scheduled meetings that fail to achieve a quorum should
>>>>count for this.
>>>>
>>>>Robert's says:
>>>>
>>>> ... if a quorum fails to appear at a regular or properly called
>>>> meeting, the inability to transact business does not detract
>>>> from the fact that the society's rules requiring the meeting to
>>>> be held were complied with and the meeting was convened ...
>>>> (pp. 341-342)
>>>>
>>>>I think this applies to both the three-meeting rule for
>>>>prospective members and the two-out-of-three meetings rule for
>>>>members in good standing.
>>>>
>>>>Jon
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>
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