Karl,
Rex raises some important concerns (below) regarding duplication of
effort/potential conflicts that I have heard others voice as well.
Can we keep this discussion thread going or, as Rex suggests, establish
a new forum for discussing these issues?
Sincerely,
John Evdemon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl F. Best [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: Rex Brooks
> Cc: Farrukh Najmi; ; Monica Martin;
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> open.org
> Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd:
ObjectRef and
> RegistryObject need common base type]
>
> All:
>
> I'm going to follow up with Rex offline. No need to bother you all
with
> this thread.
>
> -Karl
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga; ; 'Rex Brooks'
> Cc: ; 'Monica Martin'; 'Farrukh Najmi';
>
> Subject: RE: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject
need
> common base type]
>
> Thanks, Karl, Ranjeeth,
>
> A web form will certainly be helpful. Whether it can accommodate the
> range of feedback we need remains to be seen.
>
> As a small point of clarification, my opinion is that OASIS is on the
> verge of becoming more influential and more respected. Hopefully this
> will lead to further refinements of the process that can address a
> number of issues that will be engendered by this success. The
> willingness of OASIS to work diligently to improve and extend this
> process is commendable and appreciated.
>
> Having said that, I think we need to consider broader support for
> public discussion, perhaps separate from the TC process per se, if it
> can be accommodated. It may be that such a development may help in
> alleviating to some extent a particular difficulty I see developing
> at present.
>
> Specifically, I think we may need to consider how best to consolidate
> some efforts, particularly in the legal, business application
> processes and web services arenas, where we are seeing a
> proliferation of efforts aimed at smaller and smaller niches that
> might better be absorbed as subcommittees within existing TCs, or as
> sub units of Joint TCs, or a new category of Committees similar to
> the Member Sections but dedicated to the larger categories of
> business and governmental processes where we find this proliferation.
> I suspect that as it currently stands, we face a great deal of
> unnecessary, and perhaps conflicting, duplications of efforts.
>
> A new forum for discussing these issues, specifically in a public
> context where opinions need not be filtered by specific kinds of
> memberships, would probably be helpful for gathering insights that
> may be useful to us.
>
> These are just suggestions based on observations. I also think we may
> need to seek an acceptable way to get the benefit of very narrow
> specialists whose participation in a TC per se simply to qualify for
> participation in a subcommittee is not likely to be supported by
> otherwise interested member companies. I am actually faced with this
> consideration in the area of VoiceXML and WML within the WSRP Markup
> Subcommittee I chair.
>
> My closing thought on these topics is that we need to make sure we
> don't sacrifice flexibility while ensuring accountability.
>
> Ciao,
> Rex
>
> At 10:42 AM -0400 9/26/03, Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga wrote:
> >A web form can solve a lot of problems.
> >
> >-----
> >Ranjeeth Kumar THunga
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Karl F. Best [mailto:]
> >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:01 AM
> >To: Rex Brooks
> >Cc: ; Monica Martin; Farrukh Najmi;
> >
> >Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject
need
> >common base type]
> >
> >Rex, Farrukh:
> >
> >It's been the case for quite some time now that a person must
subscribe
> >to the comment list in order to post a comment. I know that it sounds
> >silly to require this, but we've got to keep the spam off the lists
and
> >out of the archives, and the only other method is to moderate all of
the
> >comment lists and I haven't heard anyone volunteer to handle them
all.
> >
> >We are putting together a web form that can be used to submit
comments;
> >I hope that we can launch this pretty quickly (we're also working on
a
> >couple other things at the same time). Once we have this then the guy
on
> >the street won't need to subscribe in order to send just one comment.
> >
> >-Karl
> >
> >
> >
> >Rex Brooks wrote:
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> I caught this on the ebxml registry list and while I have not
checked on
> >> the actual procedures in place with regard to the current
manifestation
> >> of OASIS poolicy on the public comment lists, I find this
unexceptional.
> >> With apologies to OASIS, I have to say that I find the current
policy to
> > > have, in effect, killed the public comment lists, to the
detriment of
> >> the TCs and OASIS at large at a time when many of us are trying
our best
> >> to improve the stature of OASIS in the arena of standards bodies.
This
> >> is a shame, and I must admit that I have, in effect, also thrown
in the
> >> towel because it is a fight that I doubt we can win. The official
mind
> >> is made up, and regardless of the rationale, the effect may
already be
> >> irreversible. After more than two years of working on the Human
Markup
> >> Language, I have concluded that one would be foolish to stand in
the
> >> line of fire when any human being or group of humans decides to
shoot
> >> itself in the foot.
> >>
> >> As Pogo observed, "We have met the enemy and it is us."
> >>
> >> Ciao, but sadly,
> >> Rex
> >>
> >> At 10:00 PM -0600 9/25/03, Monica Martin wrote:
> >>
> >>> Farrukh Najmi wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It seems that the regrep-comments list is now requiring that the
> >>>> sender be subscribed? This does not seem right. Should we not
allow
> >>>> an external commenter to send comments unimpeded? I could not
even
> >>>> figure out how to tell Mei Zhao to subscribe. Kathryn, could you
> >>>> please look into a solution to this recurring problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> In any event the issue/suggestion below seems to make good sense
from
> >>>> an OO stand point.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> mm1: On the suggestion, sounds reasonable. On the issue about
comment
> >>> list, I seem to remember some kind of an issue with Kavi and the
fact
> >>> that the comment signup was either not intuitive or didn't work
> >>> correctly. The webmaster should know on the system aspects. As
to the
> >>> change in process, I can't answer there.
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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