"All resources of the TC and its associated
subcommittees, including web pages, documents, email
lists and any other discussions, must be located only
on facilities provided by OASIS; TCs and SCs may not
conduct business or technical discussions, store
documents, or host web pages on non-OASIS servers. All
web pages, documents, and email archives of all TCs
and SCs shall be publicly visible."
So...will OASIS also be providing us with email accounts? I suggest softening this passage considerably because at the end of the day if OASIS restricts the tools we use, many of us will end up finding a new home for our standards work.
-Matt
On Oct 13, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Robin Cover wrote:
With respect to mesages from Howard Mason and David RR Webber
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/chairs/200410/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/chairs/200410/msg00024.html
[Howard]
The constraint on hosting all information on OASIS servers would
appear to preclude the use of our publicly-available
sourceforge open-source publication process, used to deliver
completed documents to the OASIS server by running XSLT scripts
against XML source content. This will only be acceptable when
an equivalent sourceforge environment can be hosted on OASIS.
[David]
...
I totally agree on the hosting topic.
Perhaps a better wording here is "where OASIS provides equivalent
functionality and requests that the TC use it".
Notice things like developer discuss lists are one thing that is
out there right now - is OASIS going to be hosting all those too?
I think Howard and David are referring to the draft
TC Process document says (in this revision):
======================================================
All resources of the TC and its associated
subcommittees, including web pages, documents, email
lists and any other discussions, must be located only
on facilities provided by OASIS; TCs and SCs may not
conduct business or technical discussions, store
documents, or host web pages on non-OASIS servers. All
web pages, documents, and email archives of all TCs
and SCs shall be publicly visible.
======================================================
Perhaps the OASIS administration would like to clarify
whether this represents a substantive change in policy
or (rather) a clarification of existing policy, viz., which
is the interpretation:
"all *PUBLIC, OFFICIAL* resources of the TC ... must be
located only on facilities provided by OASIS..." and
"TCs and SCs may not... conduct any *OFFICIAL* business
or *OFFICIAL* technical discussions, store *OFFICIAL*
documents, or host *OFFICIAL* web pages on non-OASIS
servers...
IMO the word "only" is infelicitous, and should be nuked
because literally, without other qualification, it makes
an absurd assertion.
Literally understood, it's unenforceable, as well as impractical
and absurd to understand the "must/only" in a global, universal
sense, since we all maintain OASIS TC-related resources on
our home computers.
I suspect the new language is meant to clarify that
all official (canonical) resources are to be
OASIS-hosted. Less likely that the dozens of remote
sites are going to receive take-down legal notices
from OASIS administration for wikis, Yahoo!Groups,
SourceForge sites, and many other venues unofficially
supporting OASIS spec implementations and storing
copies of OASIS-related documents.
</unofficial>
-rcc
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Mason, Howard (UK) wrote:
The new ability for a TC member to be active only in an SC fits very well with the PLCS TC mode of operation. We were already choosing to invite organisations to consider which of their members needed to be registered as a voting member, in order to avoid the need for SC experts to participate in all meetings/telecons.
The constraint on hosting all information on OASIS servers would appear to preclude the use of our publicly-available sourceforge open-source publication process, used to deliver completed documents to the OASIS server by running XSLT scripts against XML source content. This will only be acceptable when an equivalent sourceforge environment can be hosted on OASIS.
Similarly, the requirement that all specifications be available also in PDF is not practical for complex hyperlinked documents, such as PLCS data exchange sets. ISO already permits publication in HTML form only, and we do not see why OASIS should be more restrictive for documents that will only be accessed in HTML form.
Howard Mason
PLCS TC
-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Gutentag [mailto:]
Sent: 13 October 2004 01:54
To: Newcomer, Eric
Cc: Philpott, Robert; ;
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Subject: Re: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed
revision of TC Process
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Because becoming a TC member now has clear IPR implications and obligations,
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We really need an FAQ. I thought there was one already out for review,
but obviously I was wrong...
On 10/12/2004 04:56 PM, Newcomer, Eric wrote:
Eduardo,
Do you mean that the new process doesn't change the ability of anyone to join a TC and participate as a non-voting member? So the proposed change is simply a renaming of the type of member, not the elimination of a membership category?
Thanks,
Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Gutentag [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:26 PM
To: Philpott, Robert
Cc: ; ;
Subject: Re: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed
revision of TC Process
But Rob, if you read the new process carefully, you will discover that
you can be a TC member without being a voting member (that is, you can
be a non-voting TC member without having to meet attendance criteria),
thus being able to contribute to your heart's content as current Observers
do.
On 10/12/2004 03:25 PM, Philpott, Robert wrote:
I would like to express serious concerns with the proposed change to the
TC process that means that TC observers would no longer be able to post
to the TC's mailing list.
From the current process: "An Observer may participate in TC discussions
and post email messages to the TC list, but may not vote and does not
need to maintain attendance."
From the proposed process: "Observer" (or "TC Observer") is an Eligible
Person who is subscribed to the TC email list, and may attend TC
meetings, but is not allowed to participate in TC email list
discussions, participate or speak in TC meetings, or make Contributions
to the TC. The process for becoming an Observer is defined in the
section "TC Membership and Participation".
I STRONGLY disagree with making this change. The SSTC has over 260
members, of which 40-50 are active voting members. However, our TC
regularly receives valuable input on email discussion topics from
members that don't have currently active voting status. These postings
are from folks such as those in other TC's that monitor our list because
those TC's have some dependency on ours. Requiring folks to find some
other mechanism to provide their input simply throws up barriers in
front of them and will in all likelihood result in us not receiving that
input at all.
The input from these members is very important to us. I believe this to
be a bad change of policy that goes against the open, free exchange of
ideas that we rely on.
Rob Philpott
Senior Consulting Engineer
RSA Security Inc.
Tel: 781-515-7115
Mobile: 617-510-0893
Fax: 781-515-7020
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-----Original Message-----
From: Karl F. Best [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:10 AM
To: members
Subject: [members] OASIS member review of proposed revision of TC
Process
OASIS members:
You're aware that the OASIS Board of Directors has been working on a
revision of the OASIS IPR Policy, and you have had an opportunity to
give feedback on that proposed revision.
The Board has also been working on a revision of the OASIS TC Process,
the document that governs the creation and operation of TCs at OASIS,
and the advancement and approval of the work they do. This revision
includes changes suggested by TC chairs, the Technical Advisory Board
(TAB), and other members. It also includes changes required to support
the new IPR Policy; because these two documents rely on each other
they
must be revised, approved, and become effective at the same time.
The Board has approved an OASIS member review of the revised Process;
this review will start today and go until 10 November. A draft of the
revised TC Process document approved for member review by the Board is
found at
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/members-
only/download.php/9623/TC%20Process%2020041007.pdf.
A document summarizing the changes from the current Process is at
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/members-
only/download.php/9621/Process%20revision%20summary.pdf
Please send your comments in regards to these proposed changes to
by 10 November, so that the
Board can consider your comments, make changes to this draft, and have
the Process document ready to be effective at the same time as the new
IPR Policy.
-Karl
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