Re: [chairs] Voting 2/3

If I read your suggestion correctly, the solution really is to make sure you don't hold REAL meetings during the summer - using the 'non-meetings' instead.  Therefore, no one misses a 'real' meeting and the 2/3 rule does not kick any voters off the list.  Sigh, I guess this works but I would much prefer using the tools that OASIS supports...

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07/27/2005 01:25 PM

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Re: [chairs] Voting 2/3

The reality is that nothing is going to be done about this.

The only solution is to have non-meetings thru the summer,

till September - where the meetings that do occur are

informal conference calls - not official calls.

This has the side benefits of no minutes needed, and

no roll-call.

It has the negative impact that items discussed are

non-things and so probably best not to discuss

anything being included in spec's - just busy work

around promoting the work of the TC and such.

Of course if you need to do real spec' work - just make

sure your editors and others are not planning any

vacations... or use Kavi voting for everything (make

sure the TC has approved that as well of course).

DW

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From: "Philpott, Robert" <>

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"James Bryce Clark" <>

Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:46 PM

Subject: RE: [chairs] Voting 2/3

Couldn't agree more.

I made my opinion known a couple of weeks ago and asked Jamie for an

update.  I got no response:

> Jamie - can you update us on whether or not the meeting attendance

> rule is going to get changed and when that might happen?

This is creating lots of extra work for chairs/secretaries of the TC's

and needs to get changes ASAP, IMO.

Jamie - please respond.

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:]

> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:19 PM

> To: ; James Bryce Clark

> Subject: [chairs] Voting 2/3

>

> All/Jamie:

>

> My TC's number of voting members has now dropped to below 30 out of

110

> members and observers.  IMO - a lot of this is due to the 2/3 rule and

> the fact it is summer.  Many in my TC have expressed that the rule is

> not fair and would prefer to move to a different metric, perhaps only

> loosing voting privileges if you miss 2 in a row.  Attendance at every

> other meeting seems to be more than adequate to retain knowledge of

the

> TC work given the traffic on the lists and other informal meetings.

We

> have a few members who have been extremely active that are now on

> probation.

>

> I want to ask again if OASIS is going to open this up for further

> discussion?

>

> Is there any chair opposed to further discussion on this matter?

>

> Duane Nickull

> Senior Standards Strategist

> Adobe Systems, Inc.