RE: AND makes address XML definition available to OASIS

Title: AND makes address XML definition available to OASIS

Vincent

 

Please 
go ahead and start to establish contacts with this group. We need the support of 
important groups like these

to 
convert our work into a real global Customer Information Management XML 
standard. I have to agree with Karl that

this 
will add credibility to our work and will also change the minds of groups like 
CPExchange not to ignore us. Please

keep 
me updated on how things went after having met Mr.Wandt. We need to know exactly 
what they are willing to

share 
with us and how they expect to collaborate with us. Please do clearly emphasis 
to them why OASIS is the

best 
environment to carry out the XML standards work and why they should 
work/collaborate with us.

 

Regards

 

Ram

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Best 
  [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 
  7:34 AM
To: Vincent Buller; 
Cc: 
  Karl
Subject: RE: AND makes address XML definition available to 
  OASIS

  
Vincent:

  
 

  
I 
  would encourage you to have a talk with Mr. Wandt. The discussion of 
  collaboration is very important, and the distance only makes it more 
  convenient :-) Whether the current direction CIQ is headed is the most correct 
  is not the most important consideration; UPU is obviously the organization who 
  can speak most authoritatively on the subject of postal addresses, and they 
  are interested in working with OASIS to develop an XML spec. Their 
  participation would not only give our work credibility, but would also help 
  make this spec the most correct and authoritative. This is a huge 
  opportunity for OASIS as well as your respective 
companies.

  
 

  
</karl>
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Karl 
  F. Best
OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
978.667.5115 
  x206
  http://www.oasis-open.org

  
    
-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Buller 
    [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 5:09 
    AM
To: 
Subject: FW: AND makes 
    address XML definition available to OASIS

    

    
Hello CIQ'ers,

    
 

    
This seems like a very interesting thread to follow 
    - however I do have the following remarks, and potential pitfalls I see 
    along the way:

    
 

    
- These are *real* standardization institutes, thus 
    not very fast. We may find their work not fitting our 
    timelines.

    
- Only the UPU is a truly worldwide organization, 
    the others are European or US only.

    
- We do not yet have clear insight in their 
    goals and charter - in our CIQ kickoff meeting we have established that 
    database development is different from development of a communications 
    protocol, which we focus on (by agreeing on a multi-level standard, which 
    trading partners can agree to use in a way to suit their needs). 
    

    
- I agree with this gentleman that address 
    structures are non-trivial, otherwise we not not emphasize it this much in 
    CIQ. But recently Ram and I have compared our XML Address definitions, which 
    had been developed in isolation from each other, and they are very 
    compatible in many respects. I believe we can safely assume we are on the 
    right track here.

    
 

    
Having said this, these organizations represent a 
    wealth of knowledge that we would be wise not to ignore. I suggest I have a 
    talk with this gentleman (after all, Arnhem is only 80 kilometers from 
    here!). If you have any issues other than the above you would like me to 
    take with me, please let me know.

    
 

    
Cheers,

    
Vincent

    
 

    
 

    
 

    
-----Original 
    Message-----
From: Holger 
    Wandt [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 4:18 
    AM
To: 
    ''
Cc: Martijn Kriens; Paul 
    Drenth
Subject: AND makes 
    address XML definition available to OASIS

    
 

    
Dear Mr 
    McGrath, 
    
having read the 
    AND press release (1 December 2000) on their XML definition for the 
    worldwide presentation of adresses, I thought it a good idea to inform you 
    about other developments in international standardization of addresses. 
    

    
I am the chairman 
    of the working group address databases within CEN/TC331/WG3. CEN is the 
    European Standardization body. The task of my group is to develop a 
    multi-part standard, covering the definition of of address components and 
    address structures, the representation of addresses, the electronic 
    exchange, the validation and interpretation of address data. Currently, we 
    have completed the first part of the standard, which provides a dictionary 
    of all possible components of postal addresses, togeteher with examples of 
    and constraints on their use. The standard (which is in the enquiry phase of 
    CEN at the moment) also contains a model of the specification of an address, 
    which the working group wishes to represent in a formal language (possibly 
    XML).

    
Furthermore, the 
    United States Postal Service has made a proposal to the United Postal Union 
    (UPU - a UN organization) to assemble a development group with a vested 
    interest in the development of an international name and address standard. 
    For this effort they seek the cooperation of CEN (the working group address 
    databases), the UN/Edifact group, the Graphic Communications Association 
    (GCA), The Direct mail Advisory Board (UPU) and the PostCode group 
    (UPU).

    
During the last 
    plenary meeting of CEN/TC331/WG3 we agreed that we will join in this effort. 
    It will be my task to coordinate further cooperation.

    
Since you have 
    recently set up the Customer Information Quality (GIQ) Technical Committee 
    to work on cross industry XML standards, I think we should have a closer 
    look at our common efforts.

    
Harmonization is 
    very important for future implementation and having had a look at the XLM 
    schema provided by AND, I fear that their definition is somewhat engrafted 
    on the PAF (postal address file) data provided by Royal Mail. Mind you, I'm 
    not an XML expert, but I'm familiar with the specific terms used in PAF. 
    

    
My fear is that 
    the CIQ technical committee will develop a standard which will eventually 
    not match with the international address standard being developed by CEN and 
    UPU. Therefore I would like to get in touch with the chairman of  the 
    CIQ technical committee. Would it be possible for you to arrange an 
    introduction? If it would be necessary, I would be willing to become an 
    associate member of OASIS.

    
Should you have 
    any further questions, feel free to contact me any time. I thank you very 
    much for taking my questions into consideration.

    
Best 
    regards, 
    

    
Holger 
    Wandt 
    
Chairman working 
    group Address Databases CEN/TC331/WG3 
        
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