MEETING MINUTES -- 14 SEPT 2004 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE

MEETING MINUTES -- 14 SEPT 2004 -- DITA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE

*** Please see Action Items and Decision Summary at the end *** 

** Agenda ** 

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    0. Assign a minute-taker

    1. Roll call

    2. Review/approve minutes from 7 September

       http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200409/msg00003.html

      

    3. Resume discussion on current issues:

        - For the Exchange table model:

       Finish reviewing the proposed DITA inclusions

       What migration issues can the TC help mitigate for current users?

    4. DTD cleanup

        - Alignment convention (elements, attributes, comments, etc.)

        - Testing the DTDs and Schemas

    5. Feasibility of a TC F2F?

    6. AOB? 

    - Schedule reminder:

        - 17 Aug 2004

          - First major milestone -- complete

            first draft of first section and send

            out for review.

          - Begin review of 1st section.

        - 07 Sep 2004

          - Complete review/revision of 1st

            section; begin review of 2nd section.

        - 28 Sep 2004

          - Complete review/revision of 2nd

            section; begin review of 3rd section.  

        - 19 Oct 2004

          - Complete review/revision of 3rd

            section; beginning of final review

        - 02 Nov 2004

          - Complete final review

        - 16 Nov 2004

          - Release 1.0 spec to OASIS

** Minutes ** 

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    1. Roll call

        - Members: Paul Grosso, Wendy Hambleton, Michael Priestley,

          Paul Antonov, France Baril, Mary McRae, Deborah Lapeyre,

          Eliot Kimber, Sharon Veach, Don Day

        - We do not have quorum (10/22)

        - Observers and Visitors: David Brainard, Erik Hennum,

          Eric Sirois, Tyde Richards, Kirsten Nothstine

    2. Review/approve minutes from 07 September

       http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/200409/msg00003.html

          france: motion to approve

          michael: second

        - Minutes approved.

    3. Resume discussion on current issues:

        - For the Exchange table model:

       Finish reviewing the proposed DITA inclusions

            - Don reviewed the list he posted just before the meeting

            - mp: friendly amendment--

                proposed adding id-atts to <entry> to allow reuse of

                individual cells

            - proposal seems backwards-compatible; will add to list.

            - discussion of scale attribute

            -   don: part of display-atts, on many exhibits

            -   paul grosso: same concerns, introducing presentation

                attribute;

                own customers don't use it, why does dita?

            -   mp: writers need it

            -   don: can do via processing override

            -   mp: too onerous for writers

            -   pg: what about interop with other tables outside dita?

            -   debbie: scale typically on graphic, not table; and applies

                to exhibit, not text within the exhibit, hence pushback

            -   Issue for TC: revisit scale on graphic

            -   mp: we (IBM) are using it consistently though, in table

                  case pgwide handles size of table, scale handles text,

                  scaling of graphics

            -   pg: will not object if community agrees

            -   mp: propose email vote

              	part a: scale attribute part of proposal?

              	part b: approval of proposal (including addition of

                          id-atts on entry)

            -  Discussion:

               -  france: what would writers do if scale wasn't available?

               -  don: add one override per table, selecting tables to scale

                       by id

               -  debbie: we are adding something most software won't have;

                       this will be a dita table model, not exchange

               -  france: possible to split or scale on output without

                       attribute?

               -  mary: anyone other than ibm using it?

               -  france: not using yet, but think it's important

               -  don: ask dita users forum about scale attribute?

               -  mp: ask now, vote next week

            -  don: consensus, will do (Action: Don to ask on dita-users)

       - What migration issues can the TC help mitigate for current users?

            -  don: one possibility is a migration transform

              	but issues with doctype/dtd/schema reference

              	need to parameterize transform, or require new shell per

                    output doctype

                  possible to parameterize xsl:output?

            -  mp: can see what ibm is doing and ask if it can be

                  contributed

            -  don: good project for practicing xslt skills if anyone's

                  interested

                  (silence)

            -  don: Action: check with ibm tools team. either way wait for

                  next week before starting development

        - Terminology

            - mp: concern with vocabulary since previously meant domain

                  why not say document type?

            - erik: implies entire set of elements, which could include

                  non-dita elements

            - Ran out of time during discussion

            - Don: take discussion to the list

            - Action for Michael Priestley: provide this comment

              about vocabulary to the list.

    4. DTD cleanup

        - Alignment convention (elements, attributes, comments,

          etc.)

            - Ran out of time -- Not addressed

        - Testing the DTDs and Schemas

            - Ran out of time -- Not addressed

    5. Feasibility of a TC F2F?

            - Ran out of time -- Not addressed

    6. AOB? 

            - Ran out of time -- Not addressed

** Summary of Decisions ** 

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    - None; no quorum today

        

** Action Required ** 

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    017 Shawn Jordan -- Post to the TC list his ideas about general

        extensibility and the creation of new elements not

        necessarily descended from the Topic element. Still open

        (not an immediate deliverable -- for post-1.0). 

    021 JoAnn Hackos, Michael Priestley -- Summarize the discussion

        of substitution and post to the TC list. Still pending as of

        7/20/04. 

    022 Don, Michael -- Put together a "self-study" tutorial/demo,

        as per JoAnn's comments regarding the DITA sessions. Still

        pending as of 7/20/04. 

    036 Shawn Jordan -- Investigate where to point the DITA

        namespace -- where does the URL point? Maybe an OASIS page

        that describes what DITA does, etc.   Still pending 8/17/04.

    040 Don -- Cull the past minutes and discussion list to create

        an inventory of all the things we need to close on in order

        to create the 1.0 spec.  Create a list of these items and

        post it in the Documents area of the website.  >>> This will

        be ongoing.

    042 All -- Consider need for and practicality of 2-3 day

        face-to-face meeting in late October in order to resolve

        final technical issues in advance of final editorial work.

    043 Michael Priestley -- Add a straw-man audience statement to

        the introduction.  <<< Still pending as of 9/7/04.

    051 Don Day, 9/7/04 -- Take the discussion of @scale attribute

        and related issues to the list (presentation mechanisms).

        <<< Completed as of 9/14/04

    052 Don Day, 9/14/04 -- Is anyone other than IBM actually using

        the scale attribute? Don to ask on dita-users forum; get

        usage info for next week's discussion.

    053 Don Day or Michael Priestley, 9/14/04 -- Ask the IBM tools

        team what they contemplate doing for table migration, and 

        whether it can be contributed for all to use.

    054 Michael Priestley, 9/14/04 -- Provide a comment about

        vocabulary (terminology discussion) to the list.

** Issues to be Resolved ** 

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    005 All -- What should the scope and length of the conceptual

        introduction be?  >>> We'll get this from JoAnn.

    006 All -- Should DITA specialization mechanism be documented in

        a separate specification in order to make it easier to use

        in other XML applications that otherwise have no

        relationship to topic-based writing? >>> Ongoing.

    008 Namespace Subcommittee -- Decide namespace issues.  New as

        of 8/31/04.

    009 "Best Practices" document -- Let's put this on the agenda

        for future discussion.

    010 Relationship between DITA and other topic-based

        architectures (such as S1000D) -- Need to incorporate this

        into the "Best Practices" document.

    011 All -- Revisit use of @scale on image (general treatment

        of graphics, ie raster vs vector assumptions, etc.).

        Compare/contrast with controls for the <object> element, 

        which in HTML subsumes the <img> element.

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