History Question: Why does

From
Aruce Mevin <>
Date
2009-09-04T16:51:00+00:00
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History Question: Why does
Is your suggestion that 
metadata is used for processing and content is used for reading? To 
put it in more extreme terms, that processing is the only appropriate use of 
metadata and reading is the only appropriate use of 
content?


  
  
  From: Erik Hennum [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:06 PM
To: 
  ekimber
Cc: dita
Subject: Re: [dita] History Question: Why 
  does <data> not include <cite>?


  
  Hi, Eliot:

I'm a little unclear -- is the entire quote the value of 
  the data property?

If so, I'm wondering whether this use case might 
  better to model as a secondary flow (similar to DocBook <sidebar>) 
  that's associated with the topic -- maybe specializing note, section, or 
  subtopic -- especially given your remarks about the limits on the markup 
  precision?

That is, maybe there's a distinction between metadata and 
  secondary flows depending on whether the primary use is processing or reading? 
  To try to impose some clarity on the gray area between data structures and 
  documents.


Other perspectives?


Erik 
  Hennum



ekimber 
  <> wrote on 09/02/2009 10:53:22 AM:

> Re: 
  [dita] History Question: Why does <data> not include 
  <cite>?
>
> One use case I have is for a magazine 
  article that is either an excerpt from
> or related to another 
  publication, what this publisher calls a "disclaimer",
> e.g.:
>
> "World-Class Selling: New Sales Competencies‹by Brian Lambert, Tim 
  Ohai, and
> Eric Kerkhoff‹is available from XXXX Press for $299 ($199 
  for XXXX members)
> and includes the entire competency dictionary and 
  seven tools for use in
> your organization. To learn more, please 
  visit
> www.salestrainingdrivers.org/worldclass. For more information on 
  the
> Competency Model, email "
>
> This 
  information is relating the the publication <cite>World-Class 
  Selling:
> New Sales Competencies</cite> to the article and also 
  providing additional
> information.
>
> This is metadata 
  for the article as a whole, not metadata for a specific
> component of 
  the article content.
>
> In a print presentation of the article 
  this information is presented after
> the main body of the article 
  (including any nested topics) and is clearly
> not part of the main flow 
  of the article content (that is, it doesn't
> contribute directly to the 
  narrative of the article itself).
>
> In an HTML presentation, 
  this information would either not be presented at
> all or provided in 
  some other out-of-line way.
>
> ...  There is also the issue 
  of simplicity and directness of
> implementation vs. require a high 
  degree of sophistication of data
> structuring just to achieve a simple 
  presentation requirement (e.g.,
> rendering the disclaimer statement 
  after the presentation of the article
> itself).
>
> For 
  example, in the case of this disclaimer, I could break it down into 
  its
> individual pieces and capture each of those as discrete 
  <data> elements and
> then implement processing to reconstitute 
  them into the original narrative
> paragraph. But that level of expense 
  and complexity is entirely unjustified
> by the actual value of the 
  metadata--the individual pieces would almost
> never be useful 
  individually, so it's just adding cost in this case,
> especially when 
  you consider that the content will almost certainly not be
> authored as 
  DITA XML initially.