Re: [dita] DITA 1.3 documentation -- shall we remove the Contains and "Contains by" tables

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Kristen James Eberlein <>
Date
2012-09-12T13:34:15+00:00
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Re: [dita] DITA 1.3 documentation -- shall we remove the Contains and "Contains by" tables
Title: Re: [dita] DITA 1.3 documentation -- shall we
                    remove the Contains and "Contains by" tables

  
  
    
Hi, Mark.

            

            Believe me, the content in the Contains and "Contains by"
            tables was auto-generated; there is NO way that we would do
            that sort of work by hand :)

            

            Robert Anderson did that work; I'll defer to him for
            details.

          

          

        
      
Best,

        Kris

        

        Kristen James Eberlein

        Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting

        Co-chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee

        Charter member, OASIS DITA Adoption Committee

        www.eberleinconsulting.com

        +1 919 682-2290; kriseberlein (skype)

      

      On 9/12/2012 8:48 AM, Mark Poston wrote:

    

    
      
      Hi,
      

      

      
I wonder if an auto generated form of the documentation would
        be suitable for the contains/contained by information, generated
        from the schemas.

      

      

      
I am thinking specifically of features such as oXygenXML's
        schema documentation tool that could allow us to create a
        DITA-based output for a schema – given an XSL is developed.
        Currently they support HTML/DocBook/PDF.

      

      

      
The standard output may be deemed too technical for our
        requirements but a cut down simplified version could be created
        with relative ease.

      

      

      

        

          
              

                
Kind
                  regards

                

                

                
Mark Poston – Senior
                  Technical Consultant

                
Mekon Ltd.

                
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On 11 Sep 2012, at 22:50, Kristen James Eberlein <>
            wrote:

          
          
            
            

              
 Yes, the
                    links work fine. It just is very difficult for
                    someone to *find* topics in the spec, and I think we
                    need to address this for DITA 1.3.

                
                
 

                    Removing the "Contains" and "Contains by" tables --
                    perhaps having them in a secondary document -- would
                    be one way to improve readers' ability to search the
                    spec and find mentions of particular elements.

                    

                  
                  
Best,

                        Kris

                        

                        Kristen James Eberlein

                        Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting

                        Co-chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee

                        Charter member, OASIS DITA Adoption Committee

                        www.eberleinconsulting.com

                        +1 919 682-2290; kriseberlein (skype)

                    

                  

                  On 9/11/2012 5:33 PM, Scott Hudson wrote:

                

                
                  
                  You are saying that the
                      false hits are in the search only, right? When I
                      view the HTML version of the spec, the
                      contains/contained by links work just fine.

                      

                      I don’t have any solution to the search problem.

                      

                    Thanks and best regards,

                      

                      --Scott

                      

                      Scott
                          Hudson | 
                        Pelco by Schneider
                            Electric | United States
                        | Standards Lead

                          Ph: +1-970-282-1952  | M:
                        +1-720-663-7268 | Site: pdn.pelco.com | 

                          

                      

                      

                      

                      

                      On 9/11/12 3:01 PM, "Kristen James Eberlein" <>

                      wrote:

                      

                    
                     

                      What is your suggestion
                          for fixing the false hits?

                           

                            

                        Best,

                         Kris

                         

                         Kristen James Eberlein

                         Principal consultant, Eberlein Consulting

                         Co-chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee

                         Charter member, OASIS DITA Adoption Committee

                         www.eberleinconsulting.com
                        <http://www.eberleinconsulting.com>

                        

                         +1 919 682-2290; kriseberlein (skype)

                         

                         

                         On 9/11/2012 4:56 PM, Scott Hudson wrote:

                         

                         

                      
                     Re: [dita]
                          DITA 1.3 documentation -- shall we remove the
                          Contains and "Contains by" tables I think it’s
                          useful. Let’s fix the false hits problem so it
                          works. I use this feature all the time.

                           

                           Thanks and best regards,

                           

                           --Scott

                           

                         Scott Hudson |  Pelco
                              by Schneider
                                Electric | United States
                            | Standards Lead

                               Phone: +1-970-282-1952  | Mobile:
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                             On 9/11/12 2:49 PM, "Kristen James
                            Eberlein" <>

                            wrote:

                             

                              

                        
                         As we
                              start working on DITA 1.3 documentation,
                              we need to consider whether to include the
                              Contains and "Contains by" tables in the
                              Language Reference topics.

                                

                                Pro = Useful information

                                Con = Makes it impossible to search the
                              spec and find information about a specific
                              element, since there are so many false
                              hits. For example, if you search the PDF
                              version for indexterm, you get over 130
                              false hits before you land on the actual
                              topic.

                                

                                Best, 

                                Kris 

                                

                                Kristen James Eberlein 

                                Principal consultant, Eberlein
                              Consulting 

                                Co-chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
                              

                                Charter member, OASIS DITA Adoption
                              Committee 

                                www.eberleinconsulting.com
                              <http://www.eberleinconsulting.com>

                               <http://www.eberleinconsulting.com>

                               

                                +1 919 682-2290; kriseberlein (skype) 
                              

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