Re: [dita] Re: [dita-lightweight-dita] Proactive planning for DITA intersection with HTML6

Hi Don,

My colleagues are suggesting this location to find the latest developments (Release HTML 5.1 done at 1 November)

https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/  

It seems that the roadmap so far is to release a HTML5,2 in fall 2017, a real date/roadmap for HTML6 doesn t seem available.

I hope this helps.

Cheers!

Jan

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2016-11-17 15:38 GMT+01:00 Don Day <>:

  
    
  
  

    
I regret now having posted to two lists. Let's keep this
      conversation in the DITA TC list to avoid triple replications.

      

      Erik was a former member of the DITA TC under IBM's employ, and
      had spoken several times about the possibility of rebasing the
      topic instance on what was XHTML or HTML2 at the time. The content
      models were not a great match and involved use of classed divs for
      most of the structure. I should have included this background as
      it is probably an arcane reference, except that it does mark a
      historical precedent for the idea. It is pretty easy to imagine an
      HTML5 model that asserts much of current topic structure, although
      there are some gaps that could be proposed for HTML6 to make the
      mapping more complete. 

      

      At any event, HTML lacks a rigorous schema mechanism that can
      represent repeatable structure. Templates offer an option, but
      they fail the rigor test because users can overtype the structure
      and thereby create content that evades the intended business rule.
      Templates-as-structure-by-proxy are one way to fill that void
      because these now become an interchangeable artifact with other
      teams who can use the same tools to get the same effect. I see
      Lightweight DITA as a possible design for this outcome, but our
      current approach is at best just one that fits the DITA design
      pattern; there could be others, once the idea catches on (as I can
      see it being an even better match for a restricted use of
      DocBook's article structure). W3C is never likely to advise on use
      of schemas for HTML, but templates fit this space nicely, as long
      as there are tools that can make interchange of designs among
      sites more of a possibility.

      

      Jan has mentioned the age of the list, so if anyone is aware of a
      more recent collection or discussion for HTML6, I welcome knowing
      where we need to look.

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Don

    

    

    
On 11/16/2016 6:31 PM, Mark Giffin
      wrote:

    

    
      
      I'm checking out the w3c wiki you linked, Don.

      

      Please explain what "Erik Hennum's noble penchant" is or was.

      

      Thanks,

      Mark Giffin

      Mark GIffin Consulting, Inc.

      http://markgiffin.com/

      

      
On 11/14/2016 10:17 AM, Don Day
        wrote:

      

      
        
        
HTML5 moved their box closer to the DITA topic model than
          before, but obviously has lacked a class inheritance or
          specialization-capable mechanism for us to hook into
          strategically. Hence we have been stuck with designing around
          the lack of those architectural placeholders. 

          

          While the schedule for something useful in Lightweight DITA
          may  preclude waiting for a next chance at intersecting with
          HTML6, perhaps we can tender a proposal for the bits we need
          at this community contribution site:

          

          https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/next

          

          The hope would be that, by DITA 2.0 planning time, we can look
          at a possibly closer binding to an all-HTML6 base model
          (pulling out Erik Hennum's noble penchant again, since it
          unifies architecture with delivery in a nice way).

        

        Thoughts?

        

        
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