Re: WG: [dss-x] SignaturePtr problems ...

Hi Detlef,

> "WhichData" would be fine with me. 
Great!
> Should it be an xs:anyURI (which makes it more powerful)
> or should we stick for some reason with xs:IDREF?

The current approach is to reference a Base64Data component. That's what
the user expects to find at the other end of the relationship (and
supported by e.g. JAXB framework).

Pointing to anywhere in the internet is a completely different use case,
due to my opinion. And presumably cannot expect to find a Base64Data
component but the root of the signature document. Therefore I would like
to propose to add an anyURI to the Base64Data component. But it is
always a dangerous pattern to access an endpoint someone else provided.
That's a good place to launch an amplification attack using the DSS-X
server. So I'm not that eager to include a remote pointer ...

Or do I misunderstand the intended use of anyURI?


Greetings,


Andreas

> BR,
>  dh
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> -----UrsprÃngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:  <> Im Auftrag von Andreas Kuehne
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Januar 2019 11:42
> An: 
> Betreff: Re: WG: [dss-x] SignaturePtr problems ...
>
> Hi Detlef,
>
>> isn't the technical prerequisite that the object (document or signature)
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>> to which the WhichDocument attribute points to has an xs:ID?
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>> As far as I see it, both structures (InputDocuments/Document and SignatureObject/Base64Signature)
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>> are in the end derived from dsb:Base64DataType, which may have this xs:ID such that
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>> some WhichDocument-attribute (either being xs:IDREF or xs:anyURI) can point to it.
>>
>>  
> currently WhichDocument refers to a DocumentBaseType, what in this case
> could be a Document or TransformedDocument (or DocumentHash, not
> relevant here). As the attributes name suggests a 'Base64Data' structure
> would not be expected here. So I would propose to change the name to
> 'WhichData'.
>
> Despite the nuisance of name change the relationship to Base64Data makes
> more sense (one mismatch is addressed by ticket DSSX-50). E.g. the
> WhichDocument attribute is used in SignaturePlacement, but a placement
> within a DocumentHash doesn't make any sense.
>
>
> So let's go with changing 'WhichDocument' to 'WhichData' and the
> alignement of SignatureObject (see below) and our spec is a little bit
> better, again!
>
>
> Greetings,
>
>
> Andreas
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>> -----UrsprÃngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von:  <mailto:>  < <mailto:> > Im Auftrag von Andreas Kuehne
>> Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2019 22:40
>> An: dss-x < <mailto:> >
>> Betreff: [dss-x] SignaturePtr problems ...
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>> Dear colleagues,
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>> sorry come up late with a statement contradicting my view from the call.
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>> But looking at the code produced for WhichDocument attribute I realized
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>> our view of the intention of tghis attribute is wrong:
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>>     public DocumentBaseType getWhichDocument() {
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>> The attribute does not point directly to an arbitrary (XML) document
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>> holding a signature but it refers to an instance of InputDocumentType.
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>> So my assumption is wrong, _it is_ an in-document reference!
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>> So the SignaturePtr is _not_  capable of identifying a signature within
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>> a SignatureObject/Base64Signature! This sounds reasonable if you think
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>> of just one signature directly contained within the Base64Signature. But
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>> e.g. XAdES this may not be true. This shortcoming also makes it unusable
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>> for the intended replacement of a Peter's SignatureIdentifier.
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>> An obvious solution would be to replace the Base64Signature (in
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>> SignatureObject) by a 'SignatureAsDocument' of the type DocumentType.
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>> This allows easy referencing, it would fix the relationship in cases
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>> where the signature should be included directly in SignatureObject. It
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>> also would allow to transport big (encapsulating) signatures as
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>> attachments.
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>> The original
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>>    <xs:complexType name="SignatureObjectType">
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>>       <xs:choice>
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>>          <xs:element name="Base64Signature" type="dsb:Base64DataType"/>
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>>          <xs:element name="SignaturePtr" type="dss2:SignaturePtrType"/>
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>>       </xs:choice>
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>>       <xs:attribute name="SchemaRefs" type="xs:IDREFS" use="optional"/>
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>>    </xs:complexType>
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>> would morph to
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>>    <xs:complexType name="SignatureObjectType">
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>>       <xs:sequence>
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>>          <xs:element name="SignatureDocument" type="DocumentType"
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>> minOccurs="0"/>
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>>          <xs:element name="SignaturePtr" type="SignaturePtrType"
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>> minOccurs="0"/>
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>>       </xs:sequence>
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>>       <xs:attribute name="SchemaRefs" type="xs:IDREFS" use="optional"/>
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>>    </xs:complexType>
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>> But, big drawback, would add another element even in the case of plain
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>> vanilla 'one signature, one detached document' calls. Easy structures
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>> for simple calls _and_ also supporting the complexity of XMLDSig isn't easy!
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>> What's your view?
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