Re: [dss-x] Funding support for 2022 for IDtrust affiliated technical committees

+1.
Departing from the main topic here...Chet raises a good point wrt STIX Preferred.
Should we try to determine if getting this program off-the-ground will help retain CTI members?
If the TC views this as a priority, perhaps we find a way to get past the resource issue.
Initially, the TC felt strongly about not charging for this, but we could revisit that.
Perhaps we hire a consultant to process the attestations and charge vendors a certification fee to cover the costs.
With STIX 2.1 out-the-door, I'm concerned that our CTI TC members may be challenged to justify renewing.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:41 AM Chet Ensign < 
> wrote: Also, between us, when we have looked at it in the past, we observed very few organizations were able to make a paying concern out of it. In addition, project teams usually underestimate not only the work to set something up and launch it but also the investment needed to keep it going. The STIX Preferred program, for example, where we built the website to support it only to have the whole initiative stall out when we asked the question "who is going to receiving these attestations and processing them?" Simiarly, the Court Filing TC worked with an outside organization to built a test harness and test cases certifying court filing systems that charged a nominal fee for certification. Last I looked, the only certification sought or issued was the TC member that acted as the guinea pig during development. On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 5:33 PM Guy Martin < 
> wrote: Interesting, and similar to a lot of discussions from this morning. It s not that we *don t* consider testing/certification interesting, it s that it doesn t come for free, and other organizations like Eclipse are funded with that kind of TCK work in mind. I get that folks want certain services, but it s interesting that OASIS did just fine in the open standards space for a long time *not* offering testing and certification options, meaning, there was a market for a lower cost alternative. Of course, if enough projects wanted that service, we d have to scope the cost of that accordingly.

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Guy Martin Executive Director OASIS Open +1 408-489-1681 www.oasis-open.org calendly.com/guy-martin On Nov 30, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Chet Ensign < 
> wrote: FYI because of the exchange about testing and certification. Personally, I don't think the funding available from Member Sections is likely to be enough for developing a test harness and test cases, but that doesn't mean we wouldn't support it. /chet

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From: Andreas Kuehne < 
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Date: Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [dss-x] Funding support for 2022 for IDtrust affiliated technical committees
To: John Sabo <  >, Dee Schur < 
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Cc: abbie barbir <  >, dss-x < 
> Hi John, Can you provide a rough estimate of the costs for each of the three projects? here are our estimates: 1.: Setup 30k , Yearly fee: 800,- 2.: 60 k developing an testing 3.: 0,- I believe that the first item (conformance testbed) would require buy-in from OASIS management and a serious cost/benefit analysis. I recall that OASIS has been reluctant in the past to get involved in accreditation and conformance testing. For item 3, are there outreach/collaboration opportunities that you are aware of that might benefit from OASIS marketing or other support? Interesting to know that OASIS does not consider conformance badges as a intersting option for implementors! Our idea for marketing support is a (online) session by an OASIS official to endorse our multi-syntax and conformance efforts. Greetings, Andreas 1. creation of a DSS 2.0 conformance test bed To improve the acceptance of a standard it is important to have supporting documents and tools. A set of defined test cases is a good starting point, but a ready-made test bed ensuring compliance is a real win for any interested party, user or implementer. This turns 'words on paper' into the statement 'This implementation is compliant!' Maybe OASIS could charge a small fee for signing a successful compliance report, giving it an official 'OASIS approved compliance' label. This may improve the prominence of the brand OASIS , too. This task would require initial setup effort and an ongoing fee for the running and managing the testbed server and a license fee for the used tools. 2. support for our single semantic / multi syntax approach to support CBOR (in addition to XML and JSON)

When our TC decided to enhance it supported syntax from XML to JSON and XML there we were convinced that this will not be the end of the journey, other syntaxes will follow.
Recently the CBOR syntax attracted attention.
Therefore, we would like to extend our single-semantic / multi-syntax approach to support CBOR.
One of our intentions when designing DSS core 2.0 was the availability of a sample implementation of the specified elements in Java.
The task to support CBOR in this model would be the validation of existing JAXB (Java Architecture for XML Binding) bindings for CBOR.
Despite its name this component is designed to support different concrete serialization format besides XML, e.g. JSON.
A second aspect is to (automatically) derive a schema document, presumably in the JSON format Our estimation is a workload of 6 months for developing and testing such a component.Seeing many other OASIS specifications dealing with multiple syntax bindings, we are convinced that such a component could be useful for other TCs, too.
3.
subsidy of PR activities (e.g. sponsoring of events, travel expenses) The TC is considering to join planned events to boost the awareness of 'DSS core 2.0' and its multi-syntax approach.
We assume a majority of events to be performed online.
So no travel or other expenses are expected.
Best regards, John On Nov 29, 2021, at 3:35 PM, <> <> wrote: Hi Andreas, I hope my note finds you well.
I did not receive your attachment but looked in email archives.
I saw the document but did not see the 'amount' of the funding request -- can you share with John and I?
We are trying to submit the budget.
Regards, d Dee Schur Senior Manager, Development & Advocacy OASIS Open +1-941-321-6733  www.oasis-open.org/