David,
We are
already using a number of patterns as part of the UK Electoral registration
project. However, these are probably very much local to the UK. We currently
have 12 different uses for the 330 message type, although some are fairly
similar (usually leaving out certain information depending on the receiver of
the data). I think your counting pattern is more general. Our are currently all
implemented using Schematron.
Regards
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: David RR Webber (XML)
[mailto:]
Sent: 18 July 2006 15:42
To: Paul
Spencer
Cc: eml
Subject: RE: [election-services] Ballot
counting - bridging between EML 410 and EML 230
Paul,
Ok - that will certainly work - and that is what I was looking for.
I'll go with this as the solution approach.
The only caveat then is that you could still have a 230 out there
exposing the names and codes - but given the counting code is open source -
that should not be an issue (e.g if the wrong 230 ended up being
subsituted).
This level of use of the schema brings up (again)
the notion of templates for the EML schema use patterns.
This would be
a use pattern for counting, obviously.
Maybe we can introduce something into the appendix
noting each pattern available and then provide samples externally in the
doc.oasis-open.org/elections directory?
This is something other TCs are also moving to with
the new releases of spec's - so we can certainly follow that approach for our
5.0 release.
We'll need to ask OASIS to setup the docs. area for
us however.
Thanks, DW
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE:
[election-services] Ballot counting - bridging between EML
410 and EML
230
From: "Paul Spencer" <>
Date:
Tue, July 18, 2006 10:10 am
To: "David Webber"
<>
Cc: "eml"
<>
David,
I think
the ShortCode attribute of the candidate could be good for this.
The
ShortCode was intended for uses such as SMS voting, where the
candidates are
listed in order and the voter votes for number 1, number 2
etc. If we are
talking about the counting engine working in field order,
this seems to be a
similar requirement.
The 510 could then use the
ShortCode as the only identifier for the
candidate, the code just
representing the order on the ballot. Meanwhile, a
version of the 230
could be used providing just the Id and ShortCode
attributes for each
candidate.
A section of the 510 would then look
like:
<TotalVotes>
<Selection>
<CandidateIdentifier
ShortCode="01"/>
<ValidVotes>1234</ValidVotes>
</Selection>
<Selection>
<CandidateIdentifier
ShortCode="02"/>
<ValidVotes>2345</ValidVotes>
</Selection>
<Selection>
<CandidateIdentifier
ShortCode="03"/>
<ValidVotes>4321</ValidVotes>
</Selection>
</TotalVotes>
Meanwhile,
a portion of the 230 would
be:
<Contest>
<ContestIdentifier
Id="12"/>
<Candidate>
<CandidateIdentifier Id="ABC"
ShortCode="01"/>
</Candidate>
<Candidate>
<CandidateIdentifier
Id="BCD"
ShortCode="02"/>
</Candidate>
<Candidate>
<CandidateIdentifier
Id="CDE"
ShortCode="03"/>
</Candidate>
</Contest>
I
assume that this 230 would be used by the counting engine. Would this
meet
this need? Does rotation have an impact?
By the way, I did
not get your email directly. Perhaps this is related to
the new OASIS
mailing system. I have not yet had the re-registration email.
It is
possible others did not see it
either.
Regards
Paul
----- Forwarded Message
----
From: David RR Webber (XML) <>
To: Election
EML <>
Sent: Monday, 17 July,
2006 3:14:42 AM
Subject: [election-services] Ballot counting - bridging
between EML 410 and
EML 230
Team,
I'm working on an
anonymous counting mechanism for use with paper scanned
ballots
particularly - but the same could also apply to DRE votes too.
When
the ballot comes off the scanner - the scanner is just plucking
fields
and columns and X's - so it has no idea of candidates / ballots et
al.
That is a good thing.
So it merely dumps data as
<fieldID="XXX" value="1"/> where XXX is the
sequential # of the
field it scanned.
Now I want to align fieldID=023 with candidate 007
- etc, but I want to do
this anonymously - like putting beans in tins -
so the counting mechanism
has no idea which tin is
what.
Unfortunately EML 230 exposes the candidate affliation,
description, etc.
What I need is a bridging EML that maps between the
actual ballot layout -
EML 410 and the list of voting candidates /
options - anonymously - (that
will create EML 440's then from this and
the scanner output).
I can of course go ahead and create some XML for
this purpose - fieldID =
candidateID and that is all that is in that EML
- excepting header
information on the event etc for matching
purposes.
I'm just wondering if I'm missing something that exists
already?
If not - should we add this to EML 5.0
requirements?
The goal is to create a general purpose counting system
that can total EML
ballots given the EML control XML's - EML 110 - and
this other EML XML - and
then this runs thru and does all the totals by
anonymous ID value.
A final step then separately and independently
uses the final counts, and
the EML 230 to figure out who got what
votes.
Thanks,
DW
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