John,
FYI - background info' - a bill was just introduced in the US senate that seeks to ban all DRE's from 2012.
That's why I'm saying you need a holistic approach here that shows the completeness of the standard - and the applicability to a whole range of solutions - otherwise you run the risk of being labelled a dsig/cert electronic only technology...
Auditing is about alot more than just dsig's.
DW
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [election-services] OASIS Demo for NASS / NASED
> From: "John Ross" <>
> Date: Mon, November 05, 2007 3:56 am
> To: "'David RR Webber (XML)'" <>, "'Zelechoski, Peter'"
> <>
> Cc: "'John Borras'" <>, "'eml'"
> <>, "'Lori Steele'"
> <>, "'Craig Burton'" <>
>
> Throwing in my ten cents here.
>
> From the experience of the UK pilots, verifiability is one of the most
> important area where the current electoral systems need to be enhanced, if
> we can demonstrate verifiable audit records using electronic signatures, in
> my view that will help improve the verifiability of the whole process. So I
> think peter's proposal is more about improving verifiability and having
> trust is the auditing capability of the systems.
>
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:]
> Sent: 04 November 2007 18:18
> To: Zelechoski,Peter
> Cc: John Borras; eml; Lori Steele; Craig Burton
> Subject: RE: [election-services] OASIS Demo for NASS / NASED
>
> Peter,
>
> Agreed - we need both. I just would not lead with the DSig stuff - as
> that's very "tech' head" stuff. I think the average voter cares more about
> being able to trust the software behind the voting systems - and that it can
> be independently checked...
> Also dsig is better positioned as authentication of the voting source -
> where the particular ballot originated from.
>
> Time of course will tell on all this - I'm seeing we need to tell the
> complete story - open standards with vote authentication together.
>
> DW
>
> "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
>
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: [election-services] OASIS Demo for NASS / NASED
> > From: "Zelechoski, Peter" <>
> > Date: Sun, November 04, 2007 12:51 pm
> > To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <>
> > Cc: "John Borras" <>, "eml"
> > <>, "Lori Steele"
> > <>, "Craig Burton" <>
> >
> > David -
> >
> > I think you missed the point. Interoperability is one key item we must
> > demonstrate. HOWEVER, in the US (and elsewhere I would argue) the
> > validation of the authenticity of a message is a major factor that we
> > must also demonstrate. Definitely, for the VVSG, the security aspects
> > demand that we demonstrate this.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:26 AM
> > To: Zelechoski, Peter
> > Cc: John Borras; eml; Lori Steele; Craig Burton
> > Subject: RE: [election-services] OASIS Demo for NASS / NASED
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > I would not bet the farm on DSig for VVSG verification - by far the best
> > factor IMHO is that the specifications are open public and therefore
> > independently verifiable with conformance suites that can valid the
> > ballots and records and counts.
> >
> > Having multiple vendors show interoperability makes that point most
> > eloquently of course.
> >
> > ; -)
> >
> > DW
> >
> > "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
> >
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: RE: [election-services] OASIS Demo for NASS / NASED
> > > From: "Zelechoski, Peter" <>
> > > Date: Fri, November 02, 2007 4:32 pm
> > > To: "John Borras" <>, "eml"
> > > <>, "Lori Steele"
> > > <>, "Craig Burton" <>
> > >
> > > John, et al. -
> > >
> > > This looks fine. I think it is worth singling out the use of digital
> > > signatures as a high level demonstration of EML's ability to fulfill
> > the
> > > requirement for VVSG to verify all messages.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: John Borras [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:59 AM
> > > To: eml; Lori Steele; Craig Burton
> > > Subject: Re: [election-services] OASIS Demo for NASS / NASED
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > Thanks for these thoughts, a very good starter for our discussions.
> > > However before we get to this level of detail I think it would be very
> > > useful to agree the objectives of the proposed Demo to focus our minds
> > > on what we are trying to achieve before we descend into the weeds.
> > > Below are my thoughts, not in any particular order of importance, and
> > > I'd welcome agreement or otherwise on these please.
> > >
> > > - to show how EML can be used in a multi-channel e-voting ballot
> > > involving several suppliers
> > > - to localise the Demo in such a way as to ensure the ballots are
> > > understandable to the American participants and conform to their usual
> > > voting practices
> > > - to show how EML can meet the requirements of the draft EAC Voluntary
> > > Voting System Guidelines
> > > - to show how the EML TC and the IEEE 1622 committee are collaborating
> > > to deliver consistent outputs and interoperable solutions
> > > - to demonstrate how EML can support multi-lingualism eg English,
> > > Spanish, (others?)
> > > - to help the audience better understand the scope, breadth,
> > flexibility
> > > and advantages of using EML
> > > - to identify any weaknesses in v5 that need to be addressed in future
> > > releases.
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > "Zelechoski, Peter" <> wrote:
> > >
> > > At the OASIS Demo this week, John asked us to think about doing
> > > a demo in the US -- most likely at the NASS / NASED Conference that is
> > > scheduled to take place in Washington DC this coming February.
> > > I am attaching a draft outline for discussion amongst our TC.
> > > - Peter
> > > <<NassNasedKeyDemoPoints.ppt>>
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