Tim,
I agree that we not eat up F2F time discussing tools. I think we need to
either pick one or have those doing the "DOM" editing use the one(s)
they're most comfortable with. The second approach will limit the
ability to share editing responsibility for single "DOM"s, but it's how
we've done it in the past.
Patti
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Grapes [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:21 AM
To: 'Rex Brooks'; 'Renato Iannella'; 'Emergency_Mgt_Msg_SC'
Subject: RE: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely
All,
I recommend we do not defer a tool decision, and we should not spend
cycles
in the FtoF discussing this. We have a specific urgent need and a lot
of
work to do. Let's get the diagrams and the spec done and in public
comment,
and then raise the tool discussion up to the TC (or maybe OASIS
overall?) to
consider the benefits of applying a single UML tool.
Thanks,
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Brooks [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:49 PM
To: Renato Iannella; Emergency_Mgt_Msg_SC
Subject: Re: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely
Thanks Renato,
We should hold off on deciding between VP and ArgoUML until we've had
a chance to weigh the consequences for existing work. Regardless,
however, we would need to opt for the Community (Free) Edition of VP
unless they might be persuaded to donate some copies for us to use.
However, I did not have a worthwhile result in my attempt to persuade
IBM to duplicate their prior donation of Rational tools to another
TC. They eventually stopped responding when it was clear that their
attempts to foist me off onto a sales rep were as ineffective at
securing a sale as my attempts at soliciting a donation. In order
words, I won't bother with it again, but I would be happy as a clam
if anyone else were able to get VP or MagicDraw or even old Big Blue
to make such a donation.
The file format issue has always been the major failing of UML, and
XMI, even when it works, suffers from the mismatch between vendor
implementations of the standard. It is one of the reasons, oddly
enough, for my goal of inching us toward an MDA approach backed up by
reference implementations of object libraries. IT"S one way to get
good operational interoperability, and severely discourage vendor
implementations that are just a few key steps short of genuine
interoperability, but that are very effective arguments for
vendor-specific solutions that pay lip service to standards.
Cheers,
Rex
At 10:03 AM +1000 12/1/06, Renato Iannella wrote:
>On 1 Dec 2006, at 01:54, Tim Grapes wrote:
>
>> I am downloading and installing Visual Paradigm
>>UML Community Edition (free w/restricted capabilities, okay for
>>modeling purposes) and ArgoUML(free open source w/liimited
>>capabilities also okay for modeling purposes),
>
>We use VP-UML (Modeller Edition).
>
>I just tried importing/exporting between VP-UML and ArgoUML and
>it failed miserably!! (so much for XMI interoperability)
>
>Cheers... Renato Iannella
>National ICT Australia (NICTA)
>
>
>
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