ODF Acc SC minutes for Nov 1

Minutes from ODF Acc SC meeting - Thursday,
Nov 1, 10 am CDT.

Note:  Until there is a callin
for Japan, SIP can be used - see  https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2007-March/000195.html
 

Regrets: Mike Paciello, Dave Pawson,
Chieko Asakawa-san

Attendees: Peter Korn, Rich Schwerdtfeger,
Pete Brunet, Hiro Takagi-san, Tatsuya Ishihara-san

Rich asked that Michael Brauer's email
be added to the agenda.  See http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200711/msg00004.html

The prior minutes were approved.

The rest of the meeting focused on Hiro's
review of ODF 1.2 posted at http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200711/msg00005.html

There are 7 discussion topics.  Hiro
noted that topic 3 is the same as the issue Michael Brauer raised in the
email reference above.

Topic 1 - Intra-page links 

HT:  This is not a new issue.  See
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office-accessibility/email/archives/200704/msg00020.html

PK: What happens when export to html?
 Does it become a valid URI?

HT: Don't know how OO exports this

RS: How does this impact a11y?

HT: No specific spec for interpage link
in ODF spec, will cause some ambiguity among editors

RS: What happens when mapping to acc.
hyperlink?

PK: Does daisy support?

RS: Don't know - suspect it does

PK: it makes sense to ask that it be
spec'd

HT: Is there time?

PK: We have time to suggest

TI: Symphony is almost same as OO -
uses headings

RS/PK: It would be nice to expand beyond
headings, e.g. glossary

RS: This issue is bigger  than
a11y

Topic 2 - Visible table captions

RS: want same for table as for drawing?

HT: yes, that's one solution

RS: it's consistent, I think TC preferred
caption ID

RS: looks at draft 6 of odf 1.2 spec
- caption id is on drawing elements - relation between drawing obj and
its caption - section 9.2.15.2 - takes an ID ref

RS: could apply this to table captions

HT: recommend add text:caption-id as
in posting to list e.g.  <table:table text:caption-id="table1caption"
table:name="Table1" table:style-name="Table1"> 

RS: is this really needed?

PK: why not?

RS: work for UA devs

PK: should be easy

RS: would use this in tables in word
processor, not in presentations

PK: distinction of what's in spec vs
what is implemented; at Sun dev lags spec

PK: see no reason to not bring this
to the TC, let them know we don't think this is urgent

RS: that's fine

RS: have tables in presentations showed
up in the spec yet?

HT: I think so - draft 6

RS: presentations  (in addition
to word docs)?

PK: yes

HT: think tables already have them in
presentation

PK: tables are drawing objects in odf
1.0 and 1.1 so they could be captioned

PK: need to have table caption support
in presentations for 1.2 so when migrate table from drawing obj to table
object will still have table presentations

HT: section 9.3 - frames - can contain
tables - schema line 7004 - <ref name="table-table"/>

RS: section 8.1.1 - we need to add the
caption attribute list to the table element 

Topic 3 Invisible table captions (same
as MB's email)

title and desc on table - agree with
MB and MT as per today's email

Topic 4 - unanswered questions from
the TC to the SC

PK: suggestion looks good

Topic 5 - auto table generation

There are several ways to automatically
generate tables in documents. We could not find ways to associate table
headers to these automatic tables. 

PK: spec or implementation?

HT: spec, auto gen'd table should have
table hdr

PK: do all of them already have headers
but not just indicated as hdrs?

HT: couldn't understand the spec

PK: This is a question to send to TC

HT: section 6.5 - database feed - would
the data be rendered as a table or just text - need to understand more

PK: will sumbit this as part of our
set of issues/questions for the TC

Topic 6 - auto table generation, table
headers

similar to Topic 5 - Automatically assigned
table labels should be presented as "table headers" to assistive
technologies through accessibility APIs. 

HT: need to add table header - could
do in guidelines rather than spec

PK: issue is - when auto generated tables
- spec is not clear that headers should be coded as headers 

RS: this is dev issue not a spec issue

PK: no reason why spec can't say: it
should be done this way

RS: ok and put in guidelines too

PK: not really needed - it would be
in spec

RS: ok put in spec only

Topic 7

This topic is not an issue, but an item
which we (A11y SC) should be aware of. There are several topics in the
specs related to “asynchronous automatic update” of contents or  values.
Automatic updates should be carefully presented to assistive technologies
through accessibility APIs. 

HT: docs are becoming more dynamic -
async updates - some examples: linked tables, database ranges, scritping,
text sections, DDE connecdtions, 

PK: any suggestions?

HT: will write something up for guidelines
doc

PK/RS: we should make our request/suggestion
all in one bundle

Action items:

PK/RS - Find out the deadline(s) for
1.2

HT - Write proposed modification to
8.1.1 to add caption-id for table, and 9.2.15.2 to include tables - <ref
name="common-draw-caption-id-attlist"/>

PK - Formally reply to SC for topic
4

HT - Do more research on topic 6

HT - Write up section for the issue
identified by Topic 7 for next guidelines document update

All - Besides the prior  action
item the prior guidelines action items are

Modify next version of accessibility
guidelines to ensure applications respond to system font and color settings.

Add wording to the next revison of the
accessibilty guidelines to allow control of the animation rate of images
in a presentation 

Modify accessibility guidelines to state
how common field attributes (section 6.7 of the ODF 1.2 spec.) should be
supplied to the AT. The field attributes would indicate whether something
were a boolean, gregorian date, etc.

Pete Brunet

                    
                     
                     
         

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