Alex,
ALex Wang wrote:
>Hi Patrick,
>That's a pitty not meet you in joint TC meeting at OASIS Symposium.
>
Sorry I wasn't present. But I had promised my wife a vacation long
before that meeting was set. ;-)
> I
>have uploaded the slides and demo for this TC meeting. The main topic is
>to realize interop via UOML.
>In fact, interop is the main purpose of the charter of proposed TC, it
>is at semantic level. For UOML TC, the main reason to define a
>operatiing interface standard is for use of interop, it is at layout
>level( http://www.oasis-open.org/events/symposium/2006/slides/Wang.pdf).
>I believe that maping to a different format is not reliable. An unify
>operating interface is more feasible and can meet market requirement.
>I support to form a new SC within this TC, with the help of Adoption TC
>and UOML TC, maybe also including the new proposed TC.
>
>
>
I will have to look at your proposal but correct me if I am wrong but
isn't the UOML TC operating under RAND?
I think the division between structure and presentation, although
softening over the years in a number of respects, was the right decision
beginning with ISO 8879.
Interoperability of presentation (or as you say in your slides
post-typesetting) may well meet a market need and be interesting as well
from a technical standpoint, but I don't think it would meet what I
consider to be the needs of interoperability. Particularly if the
"operating interface standard" is the property of a particular vendor.
Hope you are having a great day!
Patrick
>-Alex
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:]
>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:35 PM
>To: Charles-H. Schulz
>Cc: ALex Wang; ; ;
>;
>Subject: Re: [office] How about an interoperability Subcommittee?
>
>
>Greetings!
>
>For reasons I detail below I think interoperability is the *next* issue
>but I would caution that we need to be mindful of the TC charter rules
>in OASIS. I am not sure that any TC actually has a charter that would
>cover a "standard" for interoperability. I don't think any of those for
>ODF or the UOML charter would cover it.
>
>I suspect that a new TC with both specific and 'future' standards
>against which interoperability standards could be specified would be
>required. Besides, it would provide a more "neutral" meeting place for
>the various format supporters to meet.
>
>It would take a lot of hard work but a TC that is sponsored by *all* the
>
>major format proponents I think would start with a high degree of
>credibility in the world of technology. Noting that the issue would be
>*mapping* and not sniping about the choices made by any particular
>format.
>
>As many of you know, I urged an EU panel back in March to make a mapping
>
>between XML document formats a prerequisite for adoption of any XML
>format for office documents a prerequisite for adoption as an ISO
>standard. Some of you may not be old enough to remember conversion
>software that touted their abilities to convert between literally
>hundreds of diverse formats in the "bad old days." I do. We are close to
>
>having XML based archival formats and we should not screw that up by
>having data islands with inconsistent mappings between XML based
>formats.
>
>Hope everyone is at the start of a great week!
>
>Patrick
>
>Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
>
>
>>Dear Alex,
>>
>>perhaps should we form an Interoperability SC within the UOML TC and
>>then coordinate back here? I think that there obviously needs to be
>>some technical, specification work to be done at the strict level of
>>interoperability, so forming the SC here might be a good choice. Of
>>course the Adoption TC needs to be involved as well.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Charles-H. Schulz.
>>
>>ALex Wang a 嶰rit :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yes, this proposed TC is aimed to interop at semantic level. In other
>>>side, UOML TC is aimed to interop at layout level for visible use.
>>>Thanks Peter for introducing IDABC research project. I'd like to hear
>>>the future progress of that project.
>>>
>>>-Alex
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* [mailto:]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 6:44 AM
>>> *To:*
>>> *Cc:* ;
>>> *Subject:* Re: [office] How about an interoperability
>>>Subcommittee?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Peter, I had not heard of the IDABC research project.
>>>
>>> There are also discussions within OASIS on a new TC to investigate
>>> document standards interoperability. See
>>>
>>>http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/200704/msg00007.html
>>>
>>> This new OASIS proposal is more aligned to interop between ODF,
>>> DocBook, DITA and related formats.. Although these formats are
>>> not at the same level of presentation abstraction, there should be
>>> meaningful level of interop at the structural and perhaps semantic
>>> level (with ODF 1.2 metadata perhaps).
>>>
>>> So I think my proposed subcommittee could help with that as well.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wrote on 05/06/2007 05:15:15 PM:
>>>
>>> > On 5/6/07, <>
>>>
>>>
>wrote:
>
>
>>> > > Is there any interest among TC members in pursuing some of
>>> these topics in
>>> > > more depth in a subcommittee?
>>> >
>>> > At the recent IDABC Open Standards meeting (EU DIGIT) a specific
>>> proposal
>>> > was made to start a research project into interop between ODF
>>> and other
>>> > formats (mainly Microsoft document formats in that proposal).
>>> All attendants
>>> > at the meeting pledged in favor of such research work. A
>>>
>>>
>specific
>
>
>>> > proposal will
>>> > now be written now and later proposed to the group that decides
>>> on budgets.
>>> >
>>> > I assume a form of collaboration between the proposed "interop
>>> SC" and the
>>> > EU research project would be useful.
>>> >
>>> > > Possible deliverables of the subcommittee might be a technical
>>> report on
>>> > > best practices for interoperability, as well as specific
>>> recommendations for
>>> > > accomplishing these goals.
>>> >
>>> > These lines match very closely to the deliverables proposed in
>>> the upcoming
>>> > EU project (but that was more narrowly focussed on Microsoft
>>> formats).
>>> >
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Peter Vandenabeele
>>> > peter AT vandenabeele DOT com
>>> > http://www.vandenabeele.com
>>> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervandenabeele
>>> > http://www.oasis-open.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Patrick Durusau
Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
Member, Text Encoding Initiative Board of Directors, 2003-2005
Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!
