Re: [office-accessibility] Re: [office] Table Refresh Delay

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2008-07-18T13:26:25+00:00
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Re: [office-accessibility] Re: [office] Table Refresh Delay
We will need user agent and author guidance. In the case where the author forgets we need a backup that is within user control.

Rich

Rich Schwerdtfeger

Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist

Chair, IBM Accessibility Architecture Review  Board

blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/schwer

Malte Timmermann <>

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I don't agree on "require user agents to limit this to no more than 3

times a second".

I must admit that I don't believe a higher frequency would make any

sense for anything, but People have different needs, and if someone for

what every reason needs a higher frequency, the application should be

allowed to support this.

It's something the author should avoid.

Malte.

Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote, On 18.07.08 01:46:

> That is fine. This will just mean we will require user agents and

> authors to limit this to no more than 3 times a second which may cause

> epileptic seizures. If we did not have adequate justification for having

> this level of granularity we could avoid imposing this other

> requirement. ok?

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> Rich

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> Whether or not it is done 1000 times per second is not the issue. Giving

> developers and document writers the ability to control it via mlsecs

> would be nice to have for interactive documents.  Transitions of content

> to highlight or change things (think MS PPT) should probably use a

> consistent model across all odf content.  Make some sense?

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> Is milliseconds practical? Would a table really update every x

> milliseconds? I can't imagine network performance making this practical.

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> The problem area is >= 3 times per second. This will cause seizures. If

> the update rate were seconds this is not a problem.

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> If it were this fast I would do a two pronged approach:

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> * Tell authors to not set this to more than 3 times per second.

> * I would require that office agents provide a UI feature that allows

> the user to limit the refresh rate.

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> I would highly recommend miliseconds but provide best practives to

> introdue warnings when use would result in seni-optimal UE's.

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> Sound logical?

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> Can someone from the TC please tell me the units for:

> <table:refresh-delay> ?

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> Is this in seconds? This is very important for accessibility as if it is

> less than a second then there is a potential to cause seizures.

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> Whatever the answer, would someone please update the specification to

> reflect the actual units?

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> Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist

> Chair, IBM Accessibility Architecture Review Board

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