Hi Patrick,
Thank you for picking up my post.
I will work on my reply tomorrow or at the beginning of next week.
Thus, please stay tuned, Oliver.
Patrick Durusau wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> In a recent post Oliver pointed out:
>
>> - fo:margin-left
>> Usage of fo:margin-left in element <style:list-level-label-alignment> is
>> a formatting property - namely a formatting property for list elements.
>> Thus, 18.244 should be integrated into 19.199.
>> Note for Patrick: Please keep in mind my proposed change for
>> fo:margin-left, which I have posted to the TC's mailing list -
>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200812/msg00018.html
> In his earlier message, Oliver had proposed (in part):
>
> I have spent more than an hour trying to puzzle this one out and I may
> just be missing something simple.
>
> First, Oliver suggests moving the following paragraphs from
> fo:margin-left to <style:list-level-label-alignment>:
>>
>> This attribute is ignored if a paragraph inside a list item already
>> has this attribute.
>>
>> The |fo:text-indent| and |fo:margin-left| attributes specify the
>> indent and margin for the text lines of the list item, but also the
>> alignment position for the list label. The value |fo:margin-left| +
>> |fo:text-indent| specifies the indent of the first text line of the
>> list item. This position is also the alignment position for the list
>> label, because the value of |text:min-label-width| is treated as 0.
>>
> First problem: The 2nd paragraph, starting with: "This attribute is
> ignored...." makes no sense as written. A paragraph cannot ever have the
> attribute fo:margin-left. The fo:margin-left attribute appears only on
> <style:*-properties> elements.
>
> It may mean when a paragraph inside a list item has a list style applied
> to it but it doesn't say that. Should it?
>
> Second, I am not sure why I would single out these attributes for
> discussion under <style:list-level-label-alignment>?
>
> For example, some of the new text suggested by Oliver:
>
>> If property text:list-level-position-and-space-mode equals
>> "label-width-and-position", property fo:text-align specifies the
>> horizontal alignment of the list label within the width specified by
>> the text:min-label-width attribute.
>>
>> If property text:list-level-position-and-space-mode equals
>> "label-alignment", value of property text:min-label-width is treated
>> as 0 and thus fo:text-align specifies the horizontal alignment of the
>> list label at the alignment position. The alignment position in with
>> case is given by properties fo:margin-left and fo:text-indent of sub
>> element <style:list-level-label-alignment> - see [reference to
>> <style:list-level-label-alignment]. The alignment of the list label
>> according to the fo:text-align value are:
>> - center: The center of the list label is positioned at the alignment
>> position.
>> - left: The list label starts at the alignment position.
>> - right: The list label ends at the alignment position.
>>
>
> Already appears at: fo:text-align:
>
>> For paragraphs in a list, the values of the |fo:text-align| attribute
>> are interpreted as positioning their labels as follows:
>>
>> *
>>
>> |center||: |The center of the list label is positioned at the
>> alignment position.
>>
>> *
>>
>> |left|: The list label starts at the alignment position.
>>
>> *
>>
>> |right|: The list label ends at the alignment position.
>>
>> Within the |<style:list-level-properties>| element, this attribute
>> specifies the horizontal alignment of a label (number) within the
>> width specified by the |text:min-label-width| attribute.
>>
> and,
>
> at 19.419 text:list-level-position-and-space-mode:
>
>> The |text:list-level-position-and-space-mode| attribute specifies how
>> the position and spacing of the list labels (numbers or bullets) is
>> defined. The attribute may have the following values:
>>
>> *
>>
>> |label-alignment|: The |<style:list-level-label-alignment>|
>> element and the |fo:text-align| attribute are used to define the
>> position and spacing of the list label and the list item. The
>> values of the attributes for |text:space-before|,
>> |text:min-label-width| and |text:min-label-distance| are assumed
>> to be |0|.
>>
>> *
>>
>> |label-width-and-position|: The |text:space-before|,
>> |text:min-label-width|, |text:minimum-label-distance| and
>> |fo:text-align| attributes are used to define the position and
>> spacing of the list label and the list item.
>>
>> If |text:list-level-position-and-space-mode| attribute is missing,
>> which holds for documents conforming to previous OpenDocument
>> versions, its value is assumed to be |label-width-and-position|.
>>
> (If you check the latest draft against the text I quote above, you will
> find they are different. I copied these passages from the latest
> editorial draft. For this particular part of the text, the changes were
> purely editorial. Just to same anyone the time reporting that they are
> different.)
>
> It maybe that I am simply too tired for it all to "click" but it seems
> to me inconsistent to discuss the behavior of some attributes when
> defining the attributes and others when we are talking about the
> elements on which they appear. Perhaps that is what I am finding
> confusing. I expect to go from the element to its attributes and should
> the attribute have some special behavior due to the presence or absence
> of another attribute (or some specific value of another attribute) that
> will be recorded at the attribute in question.
>
> Apologies if this one is confusing. I have been trying to match up what
> was said in the prior comments with the text of the draft for a couple
> of hours. I am going to leave it for now and see if it seems clearer
> tomorrow. ;-)
>
> Hope everyone is having a great day!
>
> Patrick
>
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